[kictanet] ict practitioners bill is back
Victor Kapiyo
vkapiyo at gmail.com
Mon Dec 18 12:45:59 EAT 2017
Jambo,
As we mull over this discussion, let us also consider how we engage.
Attached is a Kictanet brief for discussion that identifies some key
characteristics for inclusive cyber policy making that would be useful
moving forward.
Victor
On 18 Dec 2017 10:16, "gertrude matata via kictanet" <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> In support of self regulation, there are at least some traditional
> guidelines when coming up with new legislation:
>
> 1. Is there serious mischief clearly identified that the law should
> address.
>
> 2. Who is best suited to cure the mischief
> 3.In prescribing a cure, consider whether the proposed cure is likely to
> create some other mischief ,if so
> 4. Consider which is the worse mischief , the current ill or the side
> effects of the cure.
> 5.Who would be qualified to cure is the authority or institution that is
> to be given the mandate to deal with the mischief.
>
> So the pros and Cons of the Bill should be subjected to the test.
>
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> On Monday, December 18, 2017, 11:19:05 AM GMT+3, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via
> kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>
> Replying to Julius Njiraini who has been posting one liners in support of
> the bill.....and also about this one organisation represents everyone....
> we are a diverse country with varying interests. And diversity is good as
> it helps us to get different points of view on the table. No one
> organisation has monopoly of views in ICT or any other sector.
> We must dissuade ourselves from the notion that people need the law or a
> new law to organise themselves. Humans are social and they organise
> naturally. KEPSA, KICTANet, ISACA and many others who engage on ICT policy
> exsist without a special law?
> I hope this debate can shift from forced association through ICT
> Practitioners Bill to identifying the problems and seeking solutions.
> In my view, one main challenge is that the Ministry could be more
> responsive to stakeholders who want to engage with it. And this should be
> any and all stakeholders who are interested be they organisations or
> individuals, all sectors- private, academia, techies and civil society.
> More openess than closeness please!
>
>
> On 18 Dec 2017 02:02, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
> @Fiona
>
> I stand by my statement.
>
> We DID NOT mandate KEPSA to speak on our behalf but we created an
> inclusive team. This was a partnership. Even the letter to parliament had
> all our logos. KEPSA, BAKE, KICTANET etc. And yes that team was
> specifically set up to kill the ICT Bill. That work was concluded. To hear
> of a revived initiative that purported to have a representative from
> KICTANet is really a surprise to us all.
>
> If I recall the representatives from KICTANet were myself and Grace Bomu.
> John Walubengo was also part of the team in case one of us couldn’t attend
> the meetings. If there were any further initiatives on this bill the first
> time we heard about them was through the press.
>
> To be clear. I stand by my statement. KEPSA doesn’t have the mandate to
> represent KICTANet.
>
> *Ali Hussein*
> *Principal*
> *Hussein & Associates*
> +254 0713 601113
>
> Twitter: @AliHKassim
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>
> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a
> habit." ~ Aristotle
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 17 Dec 2017, at 11:17 PM, Liz Orembo via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
>
>
> For the record KICTANet was opposed to the ICT practitioners bill.
> Please see the submission to parliament https://www.kictane
> t.or.ke/?page_id=28886 <https://www.kictanet.or.ke/?page_id=28886>
>
> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 8:13 PM, Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
>
> Listers,
>
> Allow me to add a comment or two. I believe we will start deviating from
> the main issue.
>
> Firstly, I think we need to very much understand where the buck stops on
> each matter. As much as yes, Bwana Mucheru, you require the industry to
> take lead in defining frameworks, there also needs to be guidance from the
> top. KICTANET <https://www.kictanet.or.ke/> is (as on the website) a
> catalyst for reforms. Bwana Mucheru these reforms need to be worked on by
> the both of us. We need you to become a part of the process together with
> all of us. The whole point of having the MoICT and bodies like Kictanet
> (which are catalysts) is the fact that we need to work together. Silos
> don't solve a problem.
>
> Bwana Mucheru, also I may not recollect this list necessarily being
> hostile in the past. And as any of us, you have a right to make your
> comments heard, and also I believe we need to also have a feedback loop
> between all of us. I think through the KICTANET website it is evident
> KICTANET has been doing its job well. If there are ways KICTANET can
> improve, Bwana Mucheru, feel free to raise the suggestions. This country
> belongs to all of us Sir.
>
> Lastly, Bwana Mucheru, this list has too many members who are strategic to
> the development of our country. And all of us need to be engaged with you.
> I think it will not do all of us much justice if we see you refrain from
> commenting on it. Lets all work collectively.
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Fiona Asonga via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
>
> Dear Ali
>
> You were with us at KEPSA Offices when we asked that KICATNET nominate
> representatives to work with us on the ICT Practitioners Bill. Because we
> want to achieve more as an industry we ave continues to work with your
> representatives even on the Vision 2030 MTP III plan and other engagements
> we have had with the ministry of ICT. It is not about KICTANET being a
> member but being a partner and working with TESPOK, DRAKE, KITOS, BAKE,
> ICTAK and any other ICT association.
>
> The document we circulated through KEPSA to the Ministry and parliament
> included KICATNET as part of KEPSA. You may need to reconsider your
> statement to CS Mucheru. Secondly, the KEPSA partnership with KICTANET is
> not compulsory. However, it is in the interest of achieving similar set
> goals for the ICT sector as a whole. KICATNET is free to pull out of it at
> any time just advise KEPSA secretariat on the same.
>
> Together we can achieve more
>
> Kind regards
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Ali Hussein via kictanet" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke >
> *To: *tespok at tespok.co.ke
> *Cc: *"Ali Hussein" <ali at hussein.me.ke>
> *Sent: *Sunday, December 17, 2017 3:11:02 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] ict practitioners bill is back
>
> Dear Bwana CS
>
> KICTANet NEVER asked KEPSA to handle engagements on our behalf. We engaged
> KEPSA to work as a team. Period. Never, did we abdicate our
> responsibilities to KEPSA because we are not KEPSA members. If KEPSA gave
> you that belief then I'm afraid that you were misled. And KEPSA should
> apologise for misleading you.
>
> *Ali Hussein*
>
> *Principal*
>
> *Hussein & Associates*
>
>
>
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>
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>
> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Joseph Mucheru via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
>
> Ali Hussein,
>
> This is the reason I keep off this list. You are calling me a liar and yet
> your team asked KEPSA to handle the engagements in this matter.
>
> With all respect going forward let's follow the agreed engagements between
> government and private sector.
>
> Ahsante Sana!
>
> JM
>
>
> On 17 Dec 2017 11:17, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
>
> Bwana CS
>
> With all due respect. You are a senior government official and shouldn’t
> peddle untruths.
>
> KICTANet HAS NEVER BEEN PART OF KEPSA.
>
> We have collaborated only once on the ICT BIll. Most of us don’t believe
> KEPSA is representative of the wider ICT Industry.
>
> We welcome dialogue with your ministry and KEPSA on this. We are happy to
> be included in the conversation. We however CANNOT endorse a dialogue and
> discussions we are not party to.
>
> *Ali Hussein*
> *Principal*
> *Hussein & Associates*
> +254 0713 601113
>
> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>
> Skype: abu-jomo
>
> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.c om/in/alihkassim
> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
>
> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a
> habit." ~ Aristotle
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 17 Dec 2017, at 9:04 AM, Julius Njiraini via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
>
> Digital forensic expert is involved in investigation of fraud, abuse,
> embezzlement, larceny, conversion of any digital device, records and
> process. The report is supposed to be presented in courtroom and testify as
> expert witness. He is also supposed to corroborate evidence with other
> segment of crime scene using relevant laws including evidence act, criminal
> procedures code and cyber crime laws as best international laws in other
> countries
> On Dec 17, 2017 8:32 AM, "Julius Njiraini" <njiraini2001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for your enlightenment. Am just concerned about new emerging
> fields like information security and forensics which is mainly concerned
> with digital cyber crime and evidence presentation in courtroom. These is
> especially concerns for computer security and forensics professionals
> On Dec 17, 2017 6:12 AM, "Joseph Mucheru via kictanet" <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
>
> The absence of dialogue and relying on media reports is a recipe for
> discord. The current views, sentiments and concerns raised in the group are
> justified only because there is no dialogue. Kicktanet is part of KEPSA
> <https://kepsa.or.ke> who we are in constant dialogue even on this topic.
> Going forward, the need to dialogue through the agreed channels is key;
>
> So let me try and give a position on where we are;
>
> - I did state that we will need a Practitioners Bill and even
> clarified to media it would not be the current one
> - There is currently NO Bill in parliament. The last one lapsed and we
> would need to start afresh
> - The bill identified a need/gap in our sector that requires some
> action, especially since ICT is at the heart of the Governments development
> agenda
> - The Industry was opposed with the method/solutions proposed by the
> Bill but not the fact there is a gap
> - Other Industries have self regulating bodies and if our sector is to
> grow, we need to get organised and set this up. Why should government have
> to do it?
> - We are exporting our skills regionally and internationally and a
> need to standardise and demonstrate our skills is key. This is because we
> are not working in isolation, we are competing with other countries and
> Kenya must be able to demonstrate consistent and quality skills -- today we
> are blacklisted on various online jobs platforms because of a few bad
> apples, while we know we have some of the best talents, we are also losing
> tenders and business because we have not conformed to specific
> international standards and so the rating of our products/services falls
> short. (KBS is working on the standards)
>
> And for the accusations...
>
> - It was a private members bill and not sponsored by Government (We
> opposed it in its current form - you know that, otherwise google it).
> - Responding to questions from the sector does not amount to a
> "roadside decision", considering the level of engagement we have had on
> this issue
> - The Government is there to serve the people of Kenya and not just
> the sector in isolation
> - Skills Rating systems used by platforms such as Kuhastle.com,
> upwork.com., cloudfactory.com, monster.com..etc are examples of ways
> people are able to build and demonstrate skills both technical and otherwise
> - I have had engagements on this topic with KEPSA (ICT Sector Committee
> <https://kepsa.or.ke/sector-comittees/>) - Mike Macharia being the
> Chair
> - I saw in social media many of you opposed to ICTAK
> <http://www.ictak.or.ke/> being enjoined in the supreme court
> presidential petition, but none came out (Kicktanet included) to
> support/represent the sector, which was at the heart of the dispute. At the
> very least ICTAK <http://www.ictak.or.ke/> was willing to come forward.
> - Similar to the Law Society, The Supreme Court should have chosen the
> ICT experts from the ICT Industry body?
>
> My advice would be for the sector to take the lead and suggest how this
> need/gap of* "SKILLS RATING" standards etc.. *can be addressed. We are on
> the same side. If industry does not take the lead, then Government will
> step in. As it stands, industry has various bodies and you need to agree on
> how to engage amongst yourselves. We are going to be successful and so let
> us push in the same direction.
>
> Finally, today the official engagement between government and the ICT
> sector is through KEPSA <https://kepsa.or.ke/> . (KICTAnet, TESPOK, KITOS
> etc.. are members and even when we engaged on the ICT Practitioners bill,
> the sector was represented by KEPSA, when we met MPs).
>
> The last discussion on Tuesday 14th December 2017 between KEPSA and the
> Ministry covered the following topics;
>
> 1. ICT Policy
> 2. Kick-off Industry meetings
> 3. Bills / Opinions - ICT Practitioners Bill
> 4. PDTP <http://icta.go.ke/digitalent/> + Ajira Digital
> <http://ajiradigital.go.ke/> (Jobs)
> 5. Flagship Projects
> 6. Constituency Development Hubs
> <http://www.ict.go.ke/constituency-to-get-an-innovation-hub/>
> 7. ICTA Engagement with Counties
> 8. Enterprise Kenya
> 9. Blockchain
>
> Thank you!
>
> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 3:07 AM, Andrew Alston via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> So – having seen an article in the standardmedia in which elements of what
> I stated below were quoted – and to which there seem to have been responses
> – I now need to comment further:
>
>
>
> (Article found at: https://www.standardmedia.co.k
> e/business/article/2001263257/ techies-oppose-move-to-introdu
> ce-new-ict-watchdog
> <https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2001263257/techies-oppose-move-to-introduce-new-ict-watchdog>
> )
>
>
>
>
>
> *Mucheru, however, denies that the Bill will lock out experts without
> formal training insisting the reverse will be the case. “This Bill will
> benefit the people who have been working in technical capacity for years
> but have not acquired certificates,” he explained. “If they can demonstrate
> their proficiency to the Institute then they can get certified and widen
> the scope of jobs they can bid or apply for.” *
>
> So – I have a question – What will be the method of demonstrating
> proficiency and how will this be tested – and what will it cost – and how
> long will it take.
>
>
>
> Now – let me break the questions down a bit
>
>
>
> 1. The ICT field is vast – are you going to test proficiency in
> programming? In networking? In security? In database administration? In
> desktop support? In Linux? Freebsd? Microsoft? Solaris? AIX? What is the
> test going to be – and who is going to administer these tests
> 2. What makes an industry body more capable of testing proficiency
> than Cisco, Juniper, Huawei or any of the other vendors – the bill does *
> *NOT** cater for industry standard certification outside of formal
> education – it simply is not in there – and if you are not going to accept
> these and are going to have this industry body determine proficiency – we
> need to know how this will be done and how the people testing proficiency
> will be qualified to do it – and in what fields they are qualified to test
> proficiency.
> 3. What is the cost of this testing of proficiency – does an
> individual who has certified as a CCIE at the cost of thousands – and in
> some cases tens of thousands – of dollars suddenly need to pay more to
> demonstrate something that he has clearly already demonstrated? Who will it
> be paid for? How will the money be utilized? Will this be included in the
> license fee for the first year? Or will this suddenly cost extra so
> someone can make some money?
> 4. How does does it take to “demonstrate proficiency” – and if I bring
> in someone from outside to train my staff in a new field of technology – is
> he going to be made to sit some kind of exam? Or pay some kind of fee
> before he can upskill Kenyans? Because – lets be real – that is not going
> to happen – it will be the death of bringing in people to impart knowledge.
>
>
>
> Let me be blunt – more than half the authors of the RFC’s within the IETF
> would not qualify under the bill as it stands – this means they would have
> to “demonstrate” their proficiency – despite the fact that they have their
> names on Internet standards – and if people expect these individuals to sit
> exams or prove to people that they know what they are doing – despite the
> knowledge having been clearly demonstrated (which is why they are being
> flown in in the first place, to train Kenyans in skills that are not
> available in the country so that those Kenyans can continue to further
> upskill and lift up the industry) – you can kiss goodbye to having cutting
> edge people coming into this country – it simply won’t happen – and it will
> be Kenya that loses out.
>
>
>
> Then to comment on this:
>
>
>
>
>
> *Mucheru adds that the Government has held several engagements with
> practitioners in the sector on the provisions of the Bill. *
>
> Correct – there was massive engagement – and the bill was largely defeated
> after the industry said it was broken – after people on this list said it
> was broken – after it was slammed left right and centre – so yes – there
> was engagement – but the article is wrong about the fact that the
> engagement agreed that this bill in its current form was a good idea or
> represented the correct solution.
>
>
>
>
>
> *“There was consensus that we need to establish a professional body to
> regulate the industry,” he said. *
>
> I have no problem with the concept of a professional body – I have major
> problems with forcing a situation where people who have potentially decades
> of experience have to suddenly “prove” their skills via some entirely
> undefined means at some undefined cost to a bunch of people who may or may
> not have anywhere close to the experience or knowledge of the person being
> tested. If we said that we had a professional body that people could
> register to – and they needed to be registered – and in the event of
> *substantiated* complaints the individual could be deregistered and
> blacklisted – I would have no problem. It is the arbitrary and
> unsubstantiated and undefined criteria for registration that I take
> exception to – and that I believe could result in expensive legal
> challenges.
>
>
>
> Please – do not get me wrong – I do not begrudge anyone who has a desire
> to genuinely root out the bad apples and clean up the industry and remove
> scam artists and fraudsters. I think that is a noble and pure objective
> that should be pursued. I however dispute the fact that this bill is the
> right way to go about it – and I dispute the fact that university degrees
> have anything to do with competence in this industry – particularly with
> the rate that technology evolves – because an individual doing a 3 year
> degree who is learning specific technologies in his first year – by the
> time he graduates – those technologies are history – and when he walks into
> the industry – he is having to self study it all again ANYWAY. Let me give
> you examples of technologies that did not exist a year ago in any real form:
>
>
>
> 1. Segment routing – the foundation of network routing going forward
> and the replacement to MPLS – how do I know this – because I’ve had my
> hands in crafting the specifications and doing a lot of the beta testing
> for it – so who is going to test proficiency here – it changes the game –
> and the only people qualified to teach it – or gauge the proficiency in it
> – do not themselves qualify under this bill to be registered.
> 2. Network telemetry processing – first introduced in limited form in
> Q3 2015 – and only now becoming main stream – but within a year of it being
> main stream – it will replace standard network monitoring entirely – who is
> going to teach that with a university degree?
> 3. Which university degree teaches BGP? BGP-LU? ISIS? Network
> segmentation? IPv6 addressing?
>
>
>
> The list is endless – these are things that cannot be learnt through a
> degree – they are learnt through industry standard certification or
> self-skilling by reading documentation.
>
>
>
> So, Mr Mucheru – please – do not read me wrong – I have tremendous respect
> for the regulator in this country – and it is testament to how well the
> Kenyan industry and the regulatory environment here works that today –
> Kenya has higher average mobile broadband speeds than either the US or
> South Africa or a lot of other places. It is testament to the regulatory
> environment here that we have the high-speed networks we do – and that the
> pricing is as low as it is – because the industry is competitive and open
> and innovative. This list of things the regulator has gotten right in this
> country is long - I do however plead with you, the bill as it stands would
> break the industry that all of us – yourself – myself – and so many others
> have worked so hard to build. I am NOT against a professional body – I am
> NOT against formalizing things – but I beg you – do not walk down the road
> of this current bill in its current form – it will be death to this
> industry in this country.
>
>
>
> Andrew Alston
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.c om
> <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>>
> *Date: *Monday, 4 December 2017 at 01:24
> *To: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke >
> *Cc: *Liz Wanjiru <lizwanjiru at gmail.com>
> *Subject: *RE: [kictanet] ict practitioners bill is back
>
>
>
> I have to say – personally I cannot think of a worse piece of legislation
> that I have seen in recent history.
>
>
>
> Let us look at the net effects of this and the problems with it:
>
>
>
> 1. Large companies bring in consultants or external people where
> necessary to supplement capacity, to train and upskill Kenyan staff etc,
> while those guys are here, even for a week or two, they are compensated,
> and my reading of this bill is – this would be illegal – because you’d have
> to get every consultant you bring in accredited and licensed first – which
> is impractical in the extreme
> 2. The list of highly skilled people with 20+ years experience who
> would not qualify for accreditation under this bill is extensive, globally
> and within Kenya – this bill completely stops any form of knowledge
> transfer from those individuals and in fact will force a situation where
> Kenyan’s who wish to learn from some of the biggest names in the industry
> would be forced to go internationally to get that knowledge, rather than
> bringing those people in to train locally
> 3. It forces Kenyans who have spent years learning and honing their
> skills without university qualifications out of work and could well result
> in large scale job losses looking at the number of highly skilled
> individuals I know of who are working without qualifications
> 4. It prevents private companies from making what are normal business
> decisions – who they hire and who they pay. That is problematic in the
> extreme – in any normal situation if a private company hires staff that
> don’t perform – those staff either get fired or the market rejects the
> company and the company disappears – standard market dynamics – in this
> case – if a company finds extremely talented people they may be forced into
> a position where they have to hire less skilled people because someone
> can’t meet some accreditation requirement.
> 5. The bill has no recognition of prior experience – no recognition of
> those who have published papers and are world recognized experts – does not
> specify what the “recognized” universities are – does not take into account
> industry standard certification (CISSP/CCNA/CCIE/CCDP/JNCIE/JN CIP/JNCIA,
> the list is endless)
> 6. May well end up in the constitutional court when it deprives a host
> of people who have spent their lives working in this industry and have no
> other options for a career of the ability to earn a living
>
>
>
> The bill relies on the belief that a university qualification some how
> makes you better than those without – it’s reasoning that has been
> disproved globally for years and years and years – and it flies in the face
> of the global industry and the way the ICT industry has worked since the
> day it began. It is damaging to the industry in Kenya – it is damaging to
> the growth prospects of the economy as a result – it is damaging to the
> people of Kenya – and it will destroy the position that Kenya is in as one
> of the leaders of the ICT industry on the continent (Kenya already has the
> highest average broadband speeds on the continent and significantly better
> ICT infrastructure than you will find even in South Africa – it is doing so
> well – why break a system that is proving functional?)
>
>
>
> I really hope this does not pass – and if it does – will be curious to see
> the court challenges and how they play out – but I think this is madness
> personally – and in the name of stopping a few bad individuals – penalizes
> the entire country and will destroy an industry that employs thousands.
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+andre w.alston
> <kictanet-bounces%2Bandrew.alston>=liquidtelecom.com at lis ts.kictanet.or.ke
> <liquidtelecom.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke>] *On Behalf Of *Liz Wanjiru via
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> *Sent:* 04 December 2017 06:43
> *To:* Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.c om
> <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>>
> *Cc:* Liz Wanjiru <lizwanjiru at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] ict practitioners bill is back
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> Hi,
>
>
>
> While trying to push such laws shouldn't they be looking at credentialing
> people without formal ICT schooling but have the experience, knowledge and
> skills to back them? These people have talent and positively contribute in
> the industry. Some countries have learning institutions credentialing
> professionals based on their body of work and so long as they can
> demonstrate this they are awarded the degrees or other government approved
> certifications. Here is an example of such
>
>
>
> Link
> <http://www.ara.ac.nz/study-options/centre-for-assessment-of-prior-learning-capl>
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>
>
>
>
> Liz
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>
>
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
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> I wonder how some of the ground breaking technology companies - such as
> for instance Google Kenya, can operate if this bill is passed.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Watila Alex via kictanet <
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> EricKigada: Kenya’s controversial ICT Practitioners Bill 2016 to be tabled in parliament again
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> techmoran.com/kenyas-controv…
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> https://twitter.com/EricKigada /status/937309893954031616 <https://twitter.com/EricKigada/status/937309893954031616>
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