[kictanet] ict practitioners bill is back
Liz Orembo
lizorembo at gmail.com
Sun Dec 17 23:17:04 EAT 2017
For the record KICTANet was opposed to the ICT practitioners bill. Please
see the submission to parliament https://www.kictanet.or.ke/?page_id=28886
On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 8:13 PM, Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> Listers,
>
> Allow me to add a comment or two. I believe we will start deviating from
> the main issue.
>
> Firstly, I think we need to very much understand where the buck stops on
> each matter. As much as yes, Bwana Mucheru, you require the industry to
> take lead in defining frameworks, there also needs to be guidance from the
> top. KICTANET <https://www.kictanet.or.ke/> is (as on the website) a
> catalyst for reforms. Bwana Mucheru these reforms need to be worked on by
> the both of us. We need you to become a part of the process together with
> all of us. The whole point of having the MoICT and bodies like Kictanet
> (which are catalysts) is the fact that we need to work together. Silos
> don't solve a problem.
>
> Bwana Mucheru, also I may not recollect this list necessarily being
> hostile in the past. And as any of us, you have a right to make your
> comments heard, and also I believe we need to also have a feedback loop
> between all of us. I think through the KICTANET website it is evident
> KICTANET has been doing its job well. If there are ways KICTANET can
> improve, Bwana Mucheru, feel free to raise the suggestions. This country
> belongs to all of us Sir.
>
> Lastly, Bwana Mucheru, this list has too many members who are strategic to
> the development of our country. And all of us need to be engaged with you.
> I think it will not do all of us much justice if we see you refrain from
> commenting on it. Lets all work collectively.
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Fiona Asonga via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> Dear Ali
>>
>> You were with us at KEPSA Offices when we asked that KICATNET nominate
>> representatives to work with us on the ICT Practitioners Bill. Because we
>> want to achieve more as an industry we ave continues to work with your
>> representatives even on the Vision 2030 MTP III plan and other engagements
>> we have had with the ministry of ICT. It is not about KICTANET being a
>> member but being a partner and working with TESPOK, DRAKE, KITOS, BAKE,
>> ICTAK and any other ICT association.
>>
>> The document we circulated through KEPSA to the Ministry and parliament
>> included KICATNET as part of KEPSA. You may need to reconsider your
>> statement to CS Mucheru. Secondly, the KEPSA partnership with KICTANET is
>> not compulsory. However, it is in the interest of achieving similar set
>> goals for the ICT sector as a whole. KICATNET is free to pull out of it at
>> any time just advise KEPSA secretariat on the same.
>>
>> Together we can achieve more
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: *"Ali Hussein via kictanet" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> *To: *tespok at tespok.co.ke
>> *Cc: *"Ali Hussein" <ali at hussein.me.ke>
>> *Sent: *Sunday, December 17, 2017 3:11:02 PM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] ict practitioners bill is back
>>
>> Dear Bwana CS
>>
>> KICTANet NEVER asked KEPSA to handle engagements on our behalf. We
>> engaged KEPSA to work as a team. Period. Never, did we abdicate our
>> responsibilities to KEPSA because we are not KEPSA members. If KEPSA gave
>> you that belief then I'm afraid that you were misled. And KEPSA should
>> apologise for misleading you.
>>
>> *Ali Hussein*
>>
>> *Principal*
>>
>> *Hussein & Associates*
>>
>>
>>
>> Tel: +254 713 601113
>>
>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>
>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>
>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
>>
>>
>> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing,
>>
>> Chiromo Road, Westlands,
>>
>> Nairobi, Kenya.
>>
>> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely
>> mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the
>> organizations that I work with.
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Joseph Mucheru via kictanet <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>>> Ali Hussein,
>>>
>>> This is the reason I keep off this list. You are calling me a liar and
>>> yet your team asked KEPSA to handle the engagements in this matter.
>>>
>>> With all respect going forward let's follow the agreed engagements
>>> between government and private sector.
>>>
>>> Ahsante Sana!
>>>
>>> JM
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17 Dec 2017 11:17, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bwana CS
>>>
>>> With all due respect. You are a senior government official and shouldn’t
>>> peddle untruths.
>>>
>>> KICTANet HAS NEVER BEEN PART OF KEPSA.
>>>
>>> We have collaborated only once on the ICT BIll. Most of us don’t believe
>>> KEPSA is representative of the wider ICT Industry.
>>>
>>> We welcome dialogue with your ministry and KEPSA on this. We are happy
>>> to be included in the conversation. We however CANNOT endorse a dialogue
>>> and discussions we are not party to.
>>>
>>> *Ali Hussein*
>>> *Principal*
>>> *Hussein & Associates*
>>> +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113>
>>>
>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>>
>>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>>
>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>>>
>>> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but
>>> a habit." ~ Aristotle
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On 17 Dec 2017, at 9:04 AM, Julius Njiraini via kictanet <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>> Digital forensic expert is involved in investigation of fraud, abuse,
>>> embezzlement, larceny, conversion of any digital device, records and
>>> process. The report is supposed to be presented in courtroom and testify as
>>> expert witness. He is also supposed to corroborate evidence with other
>>> segment of crime scene using relevant laws including evidence act, criminal
>>> procedures code and cyber crime laws as best international laws in other
>>> countries
>>> On Dec 17, 2017 8:32 AM, "Julius Njiraini" <njiraini2001 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for your enlightenment. Am just concerned about new emerging
>>>> fields like information security and forensics which is mainly concerned
>>>> with digital cyber crime and evidence presentation in courtroom. These is
>>>> especially concerns for computer security and forensics professionals
>>>> On Dec 17, 2017 6:12 AM, "Joseph Mucheru via kictanet" <
>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The absence of dialogue and relying on media reports is a recipe for
>>>>> discord. The current views, sentiments and concerns raised in the group are
>>>>> justified only because there is no dialogue. Kicktanet is part of
>>>>> KEPSA <https://kepsa.or.ke> who we are in constant dialogue even on
>>>>> this topic. Going forward, the need to dialogue through the agreed channels
>>>>> is key;
>>>>>
>>>>> So let me try and give a position on where we are;
>>>>>
>>>>> - I did state that we will need a Practitioners Bill and even
>>>>> clarified to media it would not be the current one
>>>>> - There is currently NO Bill in parliament. The last one lapsed
>>>>> and we would need to start afresh
>>>>> - The bill identified a need/gap in our sector that requires some
>>>>> action, especially since ICT is at the heart of the Governments development
>>>>> agenda
>>>>> - The Industry was opposed with the method/solutions proposed by
>>>>> the Bill but not the fact there is a gap
>>>>> - Other Industries have self regulating bodies and if our sector
>>>>> is to grow, we need to get organised and set this up. Why should government
>>>>> have to do it?
>>>>> - We are exporting our skills regionally and internationally and a
>>>>> need to standardise and demonstrate our skills is key. This is because we
>>>>> are not working in isolation, we are competing with other countries and
>>>>> Kenya must be able to demonstrate consistent and quality skills -- today we
>>>>> are blacklisted on various online jobs platforms because of a few bad
>>>>> apples, while we know we have some of the best talents, we are also losing
>>>>> tenders and business because we have not conformed to specific
>>>>> international standards and so the rating of our products/services falls
>>>>> short. (KBS is working on the standards)
>>>>>
>>>>> And for the accusations...
>>>>>
>>>>> - It was a private members bill and not sponsored by Government
>>>>> (We opposed it in its current form - you know that, otherwise google it).
>>>>> - Responding to questions from the sector does not amount to a
>>>>> "roadside decision", considering the level of engagement we have had on
>>>>> this issue
>>>>> - The Government is there to serve the people of Kenya and not
>>>>> just the sector in isolation
>>>>> - Skills Rating systems used by platforms such as Kuhastle.com,
>>>>> upwork.com., cloudfactory.com, monster.com..etc are examples of
>>>>> ways people are able to build and demonstrate skills both technical and
>>>>> otherwise
>>>>> - I have had engagements on this topic with KEPSA (ICT Sector
>>>>> Committee <https://kepsa.or.ke/sector-comittees/>) - Mike Macharia
>>>>> being the Chair
>>>>> - I saw in social media many of you opposed to ICTAK
>>>>> <http://www.ictak.or.ke/> being enjoined in the supreme court
>>>>> presidential petition, but none came out (Kicktanet included) to
>>>>> support/represent the sector, which was at the heart of the dispute. At the
>>>>> very least ICTAK <http://www.ictak.or.ke/> was willing to come
>>>>> forward.
>>>>> - Similar to the Law Society, The Supreme Court should have chosen
>>>>> the ICT experts from the ICT Industry body?
>>>>>
>>>>> My advice would be for the sector to take the lead and suggest how
>>>>> this need/gap of* "SKILLS RATING" standards etc.. *can be addressed.
>>>>> We are on the same side. If industry does not take the lead, then
>>>>> Government will step in. As it stands, industry has various bodies and you
>>>>> need to agree on how to engage amongst yourselves. We are going to be
>>>>> successful and so let us push in the same direction.
>>>>>
>>>>> Finally, today the official engagement between government and the ICT
>>>>> sector is through KEPSA <https://kepsa.or.ke/> . (KICTAnet, TESPOK,
>>>>> KITOS etc.. are members and even when we engaged on the ICT Practitioners
>>>>> bill, the sector was represented by KEPSA, when we met MPs).
>>>>>
>>>>> The last discussion on Tuesday 14th December 2017 between KEPSA and
>>>>> the Ministry covered the following topics;
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. ICT Policy
>>>>> 2. Kick-off Industry meetings
>>>>> 3. Bills / Opinions - ICT Practitioners Bill
>>>>> 4. PDTP <http://icta.go.ke/digitalent/> + Ajira Digital
>>>>> <http://ajiradigital.go.ke/> (Jobs)
>>>>> 5. Flagship Projects
>>>>> 6. Constituency Development Hubs
>>>>> <http://www.ict.go.ke/constituency-to-get-an-innovation-hub/>
>>>>> 7. ICTA Engagement with Counties
>>>>> 8. Enterprise Kenya
>>>>> 9. Blockchain
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 3:07 AM, Andrew Alston via kictanet <
>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So – having seen an article in the standardmedia in which elements of
>>>>>> what I stated below were quoted – and to which there seem to have been
>>>>>> responses – I now need to comment further:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Article found at: https://www.standardmedia.co.k
>>>>>> e/business/article/2001263257/techies-oppose-move-to-
>>>>>> introduce-new-ict-watchdog)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Mucheru, however, denies that the Bill will lock out experts without
>>>>>> formal training insisting the reverse will be the case. “This Bill will
>>>>>> benefit the people who have been working in technical capacity for years
>>>>>> but have not acquired certificates,” he explained. “If they can demonstrate
>>>>>> their proficiency to the Institute then they can get certified and widen
>>>>>> the scope of jobs they can bid or apply for.” *
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So – I have a question – What will be the method of demonstrating
>>>>>> proficiency and how will this be tested – and what will it cost – and how
>>>>>> long will it take.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now – let me break the questions down a bit
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. The ICT field is vast – are you going to test proficiency in
>>>>>> programming? In networking? In security? In database administration? In
>>>>>> desktop support? In Linux? Freebsd? Microsoft? Solaris? AIX? What is the
>>>>>> test going to be – and who is going to administer these tests
>>>>>> 2. What makes an industry body more capable of testing
>>>>>> proficiency than Cisco, Juniper, Huawei or any of the other vendors – the
>>>>>> bill does **NOT** cater for industry standard certification
>>>>>> outside of formal education – it simply is not in there – and if you are
>>>>>> not going to accept these and are going to have this industry body
>>>>>> determine proficiency – we need to know how this will be done and how the
>>>>>> people testing proficiency will be qualified to do it – and in what fields
>>>>>> they are qualified to test proficiency.
>>>>>> 3. What is the cost of this testing of proficiency – does an
>>>>>> individual who has certified as a CCIE at the cost of thousands – and in
>>>>>> some cases tens of thousands – of dollars suddenly need to pay more to
>>>>>> demonstrate something that he has clearly already demonstrated? Who will it
>>>>>> be paid for? How will the money be utilized? Will this be included in the
>>>>>> license fee for the first year? Or will this suddenly cost extra so
>>>>>> someone can make some money?
>>>>>> 4. How does does it take to “demonstrate proficiency” – and if I
>>>>>> bring in someone from outside to train my staff in a new field of
>>>>>> technology – is he going to be made to sit some kind of exam? Or pay some
>>>>>> kind of fee before he can upskill Kenyans? Because – lets be real – that is
>>>>>> not going to happen – it will be the death of bringing in people to impart
>>>>>> knowledge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me be blunt – more than half the authors of the RFC’s within the
>>>>>> IETF would not qualify under the bill as it stands – this means they would
>>>>>> have to “demonstrate” their proficiency – despite the fact that they have
>>>>>> their names on Internet standards – and if people expect these individuals
>>>>>> to sit exams or prove to people that they know what they are doing –
>>>>>> despite the knowledge having been clearly demonstrated (which is why they
>>>>>> are being flown in in the first place, to train Kenyans in skills that are
>>>>>> not available in the country so that those Kenyans can continue to further
>>>>>> upskill and lift up the industry) – you can kiss goodbye to having cutting
>>>>>> edge people coming into this country – it simply won’t happen – and it will
>>>>>> be Kenya that loses out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then to comment on this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Mucheru adds that the Government has held several engagements with
>>>>>> practitioners in the sector on the provisions of the Bill. *
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Correct – there was massive engagement – and the bill was largely
>>>>>> defeated after the industry said it was broken – after people on this list
>>>>>> said it was broken – after it was slammed left right and centre – so yes –
>>>>>> there was engagement – but the article is wrong about the fact that the
>>>>>> engagement agreed that this bill in its current form was a good idea or
>>>>>> represented the correct solution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *“There was consensus that we need to establish a professional body
>>>>>> to regulate the industry,” he said. *
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no problem with the concept of a professional body – I have
>>>>>> major problems with forcing a situation where people who have potentially
>>>>>> decades of experience have to suddenly “prove” their skills via some
>>>>>> entirely undefined means at some undefined cost to a bunch of people who
>>>>>> may or may not have anywhere close to the experience or knowledge of the
>>>>>> person being tested. If we said that we had a professional body that people
>>>>>> could register to – and they needed to be registered – and in the event of
>>>>>> *substantiated* complaints the individual could be deregistered and
>>>>>> blacklisted – I would have no problem. It is the arbitrary and
>>>>>> unsubstantiated and undefined criteria for registration that I take
>>>>>> exception to – and that I believe could result in expensive legal
>>>>>> challenges.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please – do not get me wrong – I do not begrudge anyone who has a
>>>>>> desire to genuinely root out the bad apples and clean up the industry and
>>>>>> remove scam artists and fraudsters. I think that is a noble and pure
>>>>>> objective that should be pursued. I however dispute the fact that this
>>>>>> bill is the right way to go about it – and I dispute the fact that
>>>>>> university degrees have anything to do with competence in this industry –
>>>>>> particularly with the rate that technology evolves – because an individual
>>>>>> doing a 3 year degree who is learning specific technologies in his first
>>>>>> year – by the time he graduates – those technologies are history – and when
>>>>>> he walks into the industry – he is having to self study it all again
>>>>>> ANYWAY. Let me give you examples of technologies that did not exist a year
>>>>>> ago in any real form:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Segment routing – the foundation of network routing going
>>>>>> forward and the replacement to MPLS – how do I know this – because I’ve had
>>>>>> my hands in crafting the specifications and doing a lot of the beta testing
>>>>>> for it – so who is going to test proficiency here – it changes the game –
>>>>>> and the only people qualified to teach it – or gauge the proficiency in it
>>>>>> – do not themselves qualify under this bill to be registered.
>>>>>> 2. Network telemetry processing – first introduced in limited
>>>>>> form in Q3 2015 – and only now becoming main stream – but within a year of
>>>>>> it being main stream – it will replace standard network monitoring entirely
>>>>>> – who is going to teach that with a university degree?
>>>>>> 3. Which university degree teaches BGP? BGP-LU? ISIS? Network
>>>>>> segmentation? IPv6 addressing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The list is endless – these are things that cannot be learnt through
>>>>>> a degree – they are learnt through industry standard certification or
>>>>>> self-skilling by reading documentation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, Mr Mucheru – please – do not read me wrong – I have tremendous
>>>>>> respect for the regulator in this country – and it is testament to how well
>>>>>> the Kenyan industry and the regulatory environment here works that today –
>>>>>> Kenya has higher average mobile broadband speeds than either the US or
>>>>>> South Africa or a lot of other places. It is testament to the regulatory
>>>>>> environment here that we have the high-speed networks we do – and that the
>>>>>> pricing is as low as it is – because the industry is competitive and open
>>>>>> and innovative. This list of things the regulator has gotten right in this
>>>>>> country is long - I do however plead with you, the bill as it stands would
>>>>>> break the industry that all of us – yourself – myself – and so many others
>>>>>> have worked so hard to build. I am NOT against a professional body – I am
>>>>>> NOT against formalizing things – but I beg you – do not walk down the road
>>>>>> of this current bill in its current form – it will be death to this
>>>>>> industry in this country.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrew Alston
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From: *Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
>>>>>> *Date: *Monday, 4 December 2017 at 01:24
>>>>>> *To: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>>>> *Cc: *Liz Wanjiru <lizwanjiru at gmail.com>
>>>>>> *Subject: *RE: [kictanet] ict practitioners bill is back
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have to say – personally I cannot think of a worse piece of
>>>>>> legislation that I have seen in recent history.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let us look at the net effects of this and the problems with it:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Large companies bring in consultants or external people where
>>>>>> necessary to supplement capacity, to train and upskill Kenyan staff etc,
>>>>>> while those guys are here, even for a week or two, they are compensated,
>>>>>> and my reading of this bill is – this would be illegal – because you’d have
>>>>>> to get every consultant you bring in accredited and licensed first – which
>>>>>> is impractical in the extreme
>>>>>> 2. The list of highly skilled people with 20+ years experience
>>>>>> who would not qualify for accreditation under this bill is extensive,
>>>>>> globally and within Kenya – this bill completely stops any form of
>>>>>> knowledge transfer from those individuals and in fact will force a
>>>>>> situation where Kenyan’s who wish to learn from some of the biggest names
>>>>>> in the industry would be forced to go internationally to get that
>>>>>> knowledge, rather than bringing those people in to train locally
>>>>>> 3. It forces Kenyans who have spent years learning and honing
>>>>>> their skills without university qualifications out of work and could well
>>>>>> result in large scale job losses looking at the number of highly skilled
>>>>>> individuals I know of who are working without qualifications
>>>>>> 4. It prevents private companies from making what are normal
>>>>>> business decisions – who they hire and who they pay. That is problematic
>>>>>> in the extreme – in any normal situation if a private company hires staff
>>>>>> that don’t perform – those staff either get fired or the market rejects the
>>>>>> company and the company disappears – standard market dynamics – in this
>>>>>> case – if a company finds extremely talented people they may be forced into
>>>>>> a position where they have to hire less skilled people because someone
>>>>>> can’t meet some accreditation requirement.
>>>>>> 5. The bill has no recognition of prior experience – no
>>>>>> recognition of those who have published papers and are world recognized
>>>>>> experts – does not specify what the “recognized” universities are – does
>>>>>> not take into account industry standard certification
>>>>>> (CISSP/CCNA/CCIE/CCDP/JNCIE/JNCIP/JNCIA, the list is endless)
>>>>>> 6. May well end up in the constitutional court when it deprives a
>>>>>> host of people who have spent their lives working in this industry and have
>>>>>> no other options for a career of the ability to earn a living
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The bill relies on the belief that a university qualification some
>>>>>> how makes you better than those without – it’s reasoning that has been
>>>>>> disproved globally for years and years and years – and it flies in the face
>>>>>> of the global industry and the way the ICT industry has worked since the
>>>>>> day it began. It is damaging to the industry in Kenya – it is damaging to
>>>>>> the growth prospects of the economy as a result – it is damaging to the
>>>>>> people of Kenya – and it will destroy the position that Kenya is in as one
>>>>>> of the leaders of the ICT industry on the continent (Kenya already has the
>>>>>> highest average broadband speeds on the continent and significantly better
>>>>>> ICT infrastructure than you will find even in South Africa – it is doing so
>>>>>> well – why break a system that is proving functional?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really hope this does not pass – and if it does – will be curious
>>>>>> to see the court challenges and how they play out – but I think this is
>>>>>> madness personally – and in the name of stopping a few bad individuals –
>>>>>> penalizes the entire country and will destroy an industry that employs
>>>>>> thousands.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+andrew.alston=
>>>>>> liquidtelecom.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Liz Wanjiru
>>>>>> via kictanet
>>>>>> *Sent:* 04 December 2017 06:43
>>>>>> *To:* Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
>>>>>> *Cc:* Liz Wanjiru <lizwanjiru at gmail.com>
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] ict practitioners bill is back
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While trying to push such laws shouldn't they be looking at
>>>>>> credentialing people without formal ICT schooling but have the experience,
>>>>>> knowledge and skills to back them? These people have talent and positively
>>>>>> contribute in the industry. Some countries have learning institutions
>>>>>> credentialing professionals based on their body of work and so long as they
>>>>>> can demonstrate this they are awarded the degrees or other government
>>>>>> approved certifications. Here is an example of such
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Link
>>>>>> <http://www.ara.ac.nz/study-options/centre-for-assessment-of-prior-learning-capl>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Liz
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet <
>>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder how some of the ground breaking technology companies - such
>>>>>> as for instance Google Kenya, can operate if this bill is passed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Watila Alex via kictanet <
>>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> EricKigada: Kenya’s controversial ICT Practitioners Bill 2016 to be tabled in parliament again
>>>>>>
>>>>>> techmoran.com/kenyas-controv…
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://twitter.com/EricKigada/status/937309893954031616
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> kictanet mailing list
>>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>>>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet
>>>>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m
>>>>>> ailman/options/kictanet/ultimateprogramer%40gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder
>>>>>> platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy
>>>>>> and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
>>>>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable
>>>>>> behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and
>>>>>> bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect
>>>>>> privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Ahmed Maawy*
>>>>>> Head of Corporate Products - Al Jazeera Media Network
>>>>>> Skype: ultimateprogramer
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> kictanet mailing list
>>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>>>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet
>>>>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m
>>>>>> ailman/options/kictanet/lizwanjiru%40gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder
>>>>>> platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy
>>>>>> and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
>>>>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable
>>>>>> behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and
>>>>>> bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect
>>>>>> privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Liz Wanjiru
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> kictanet mailing list
>>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>>>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet
>>>>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m
>>>>>> ailman/options/kictanet/joe%40mucheru.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder
>>>>>> platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy
>>>>>> and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
>>>>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable
>>>>>> behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and
>>>>>> bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect
>>>>>> privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Joseph Mucheru E.G.H
>>>>> *Cabinet Secretary*
>>>>> Ministry of Information Communications & Technology (ICT)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> kictanet mailing list
>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet
>>>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/
>>>>>
>>>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m
>>>>> ailman/options/kictanet/njiraini2001%40gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder
>>>>> platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy
>>>>> and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
>>>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
>>>>>
>>>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
>>>>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth,
>>>>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do
>>>>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>> kictanet mailing list
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet
>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/
>>>
>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m
>>> ailman/options/kictanet/info%40campusciti.com
>>>
>>>
>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform
>>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and
>>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
>>>
>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
>>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth,
>>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do
>>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> kictanet mailing list
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet
>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/
>>>
>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m
>>> ailman/options/kictanet/joe%40mucheru.com
>>>
>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform
>>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and
>>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
>>>
>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
>>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth,
>>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do
>>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> kictanet mailing list
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet
>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/
>>>
>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m
>>> ailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.com
>>>
>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform
>>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and
>>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
>>>
>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
>>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth,
>>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do
>>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> kictanet mailing list
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet
>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/
>>
>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m
>> ailman/options/kictanet/tespok%40tespok.co.ke
>>
>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform
>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and
>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
>>
>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth,
>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do
>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> kictanet mailing list
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet
>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/
>>
>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m
>> ailman/options/kictanet/ultimateprogramer%40gmail.com
>>
>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform
>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and
>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
>>
>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth,
>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do
>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Ahmed Maawy*
> Head of Corporate Products - Al Jazeera Media Network
> Skype: ultimateprogramer
>
> _______________________________________________
> kictanet mailing list
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet
> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/
>
> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/
> mailman/options/kictanet/lizorembo%40gmail.com
>
> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform
> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and
> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
>
> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth,
> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do
> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
>
>
--
Best regards.
Liz.
PGP ID: 0x1F3488BF
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/pipermail/kictanet/attachments/20171217/e647d155/attachment.htm>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: mail_signature-01.jpg
Type: image/jpeg
Size: 66589 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/pipermail/kictanet/attachments/20171217/e647d155/attachment.jpg>
More information about the KICTANet
mailing list