[kictanet] Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage-of market shares and competition

Tue Apr 25 20:12:44 EAT 2017

@Ali,

Mr, you can shoot the messenger, just not the message!

ITU is not *irrelevant*. They have their study/studies on these issues,
before you dismiss them in total, how about you look indepth at what they
have to say, then counter that, point by point.

Otherwise I will label thee a *Safaricom hardliner* and ask you to declare
any interests (Do they owe you any Bonga Points?) ; past, current, future
:-)

Rgds

On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 8:00 PM, Admin CampusCiti via kictanet <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> @Walu
>
> I'm hard pressed to take anything from ITU seriously.. :-)
>
> I'm sorry but those guys still think we live in the Telegram era...
>
> The dynamics of the Telco market are simply too fluid to label dominant
> any player st this point.
>
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> On 25 Apr 2017, at 7:44 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> @Ali,
>
> ITU has a simplified way of calculating degree of competition in a
> specific market segment e.g mobile money market. It has a strange name,
>  the Herfindahl-Hirschman Index (HHI), but it seeks to determine market
> concentration beyond - 'how many players exists in a market?'.
>
> It attempts to measure 'effective competition' by delving into the market
> share each of the players controls. In other words, a market of 4 players
> could actually be LESS competitive than a market of just TWO players
> -depending on their market shares.
>
> As an example, If two players exist in a market and split it equally on a
> 50:50 basis, that market is more competitive than one with 4 players where
> the share ratio is say 70:15:10:5.
>
> Tafakari hayo :-)
>
> walu
>
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 25, 2017 6:13 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage
>
> @Ngigi
>
> We have ourselves to blame. Or competitors for being 'weak'
>
> I'm simply not for the idea of 'rectifying' so called 'Market Failure'
> with the heavy hand of regulation.
>
> Dominance/Monopolies are a thing of the past. It maybe simplifying an
> issue but let's face it. Even with Mpesa being so dominant 90+% of our
> transactions in this country are still cash based. So where's the
> Dominance? :-)
>
> *Ali Hussein*
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>
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>
> On 25 Apr 2017, at 5:39 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi at at.co.ke> wrote:
>
> @Ali,
>
> My concern is between now and when the so called 'market' takes care of
> this issue.
>
> As we have seen yesterday, We are one hack away from the entire country
> being taken down almost completely by the failure of a single firm.
>
> Twendeleeni vivyo hivyo!
>
> On 25 Apr 2017 5:24 p.m., "Admin CampusCiti" <info at campusciti.com> wrote:
>
> @Ngigi
>
> I'm with Tom on this one. I actually don't see how the Dominance
> conversation has crept  into this discussion :-)
>
> We have a choice.
>
> For Mpesa
> 1. Airtel Money.
> 2. PesaLink
> 3. MULA -  I actually now use Mula for all my bill payments. It's just
> super useful. Even the Safaricom App that's been launched doesn't hold a
> candle to Mula.
> 4. Orange money.
>
> For Connectivity
> 1. Orange
> 2. Liquid
> 3. Airtel (by the way there are other parts of this country like Kilifi
> for example that Airtel has a far better network..
> 4. Surf by Facebook 😜
> 5. Zuku
> 6. JTL
>
> As Kenyans we simply cannot go back to having this Dominance conversation
> since we are in a free market and there is choice.
>
> Vote with your wallet, like I have. Safaricom will continue to improve or
> it will become irrelevant. Think Microsoft, Think Compac, Think Kodak ,
> Think Nokia.
>
> C'mon guys..The market will take care of this issue. And guess what?
>
> YOU ARE THE MARKET (Chukua control wewe mwenyewe!!)
>
> Don't punish Safaricom for weakness in competitors and your own 'laziness'
> :-) to choose a different service provider if you are unhappy with current
> services.
>
> *Ali Hussein*
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>
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>
> On 25 Apr 2017, at 10:43 AM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
>
> Ali,
>
> Do you now see the wisdom of declaring Safaricom dominant and at least
> getting 2-3 other players with a sizeable market share to spread the risk?
>
> When Safcom goes down and it will inevitably will at times, the following
> happens:
> 1. 80% of the country citizens are without communication
> 2. 80% of the country's citizens are without access to money & banking
> services.
> 3. 100% of the police security & communication system is offline.
>
> We put all our country's eggs in that one basket... and the basket is
> bound to drop once in awhile....
>
> On 25 Apr 2017 9:35 a.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
>
> Listers
>
> This issue continues to have serious ramifications. Yesterday Bob, the
> CEO, made a very impassioned statement on the downtime. I liked the fact
> that he said there's no excuse for such a thing to happen and that they are
> working on restoring full services.
>
> However, I think Bob's statement simply didn't go far enough. We are
> seeing a different Safaricom - one that seems attuned to the customer and
> more open that's why I'm disappointed that Mpesa is still down today
> morning and we have had nothing from Safaricom. A simple use of SMS to
> update us on an hourly basis is not too much to ask.
>
> It's clear that Safaricom is now so embedded in our lives that total
> openness is not only a must it's a Business Continuity Conversation.
>
> *Ali Hussein*
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> On 24 Apr 2017, at 11:18 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
>
> Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage
>
> http://www.businessdailyafrica .com/news/Safaricom-may-face-s
> anctions-over-network-outage/5 39546-3902518-15d86gnz/index.h tml
> <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Safaricom-may-face-sanctions-over-network-outage/539546-3902518-15d86gnz/index.html>
>
> That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must
> be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says
> they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the
> country slows to a crawl.
>
> Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos.
>
> Sidney
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