[kictanet] kictanet Digest, Vol 110, Issue 85

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On 6 July 2016 at 23:32, Kelvin Mutuma via kictanet <
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> Here is something I shared on the NairobiGNU mailing list before I joined
> this forum.
>
> If this bill existed in some countries, including the USA. We would
> probably not have the following companies
>
> 1. *Apple* - Started by Steve Jobs who dropped out of college.
> 2. *Microsoft* - Started by Bill Gates who dropped out of Harvard. Paul
> Allen the co-founder was also a dropout
> 3. *Facebook* - Started by Mark Zuckerberg who dropped out of Havard
> 4. *Dell* - Started by Micheal Dell who dropped out of University of
> Texas.
> 5. *Twitter, Square* - The current CEO, Jack Dorsey who dropped out of
> NYU. Twitter co-founder Evan Williams also dropped out of college.
> 6. *Oracle* - Larry Elison dropped out of University of Chicago.
> 7. *Plaxo, Napster, Airtime *- Formed by Sean Parker who never attended
> college. He was also an early employee of Facebook
> 8. *WhatsApp* - Jan Koum, the founder is also a drop out of San Jose
> State University
> 9. *Asana* - Dustin Moskovitz who was also the first employee of facebook
> dropped out of Harvard in his sophomore year.
> 10. *Nintendo* - The 3rd president, Hiroshi Yamauchi, a dropout of Waseda
> University was responsible for converting the then small card-making
> company to a gaming powerhouse
> 11. *Valve Corporation* - Gabe Newell was a havard dropout. Valve is
> responsible for the Half-Life game series and Gabe was also the founder of
> Steam.
> 12. *Wipro* - Azim Premji was a dropout at Stanford. He later went back
> to finish school after he was tired of being called a "College Dropout"
> 13. *Tumblr* - David Karp founded this at 15
> 14. *Digg* - Kevin Rose, dropped out of the University of Nevada.
> 15. *Reddit* - co-founder, Aaron Hillel Swartz was a drop out. We was
> also a major contributer to Creative Common license, the markdown standard
> and RSS which has revolutionalized how we get news.
> 16. *Bittorrent* - Bram Cohen dropped out of SUNY Buffalo
> 17. *Threadless*, the community based t-shirt company
> 18. *Disney* - Walt Disney was a drop out.
>
>
> I am sure I have missed a few more large companies.
> Not to mention the thousands of contributors to open source and people
> working in both large and small IT firms that are in high school, currently
> in college and those that dropped out. Also other ‘uncertified’ people that
> were part of the founding teams of these companies that we’ve never heard
> of.
>
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>   1. Re: Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views (Harry Delano)
>   2. Re: Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's View (Paul Korir)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 21:54:00 +0300
> From: Harry Delano <harry26001 at gmail.com>
> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views
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> Always good to have you back, Bwana Daktari. We miss your valuable &
> insightful contributions of yore..
>
> I was just about to respond to Kulubi's contribution, when your post came
> up. It aptly sums it up..! In an earlier post I alluded to some 14 years
> that have been nothing short of a truly amazing, tremendous story in the
> ICT space, why..?  Because during this time, the previously heavily
> regulated space opened up and was liberalized and  from there on, there was
> no looking back, and everyone can attest to the achievements to date in the
> sector. Again why..? Because, while those with regulatory mandate and
> oversight had all within their power to further stifle innovation and
> growth, they instead wisely chose  to only promote a regulatory framework
> that sought to create an enabling environment for this space to thrive. And
> towards this, you played your rightful role, facilitating and  engaging
> constantly  with stakeholders even right  here on this forum. With one
> single stroke of a pen, we can build on or lay to waste post-haste what we
> achieved over the period.  So be forewarned..  But again,  who is listening
> out here..??
>
>
> Thanks James for putting  the whole bill into perspective..
>
> Regards,
> Harry
>
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Bitange Ndemo via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
> Here we shall kill innovation and set ourselves back to 25 years ago.
> Good people, let us stop this by all means.
>
>
> Ndemo.
>
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:41 PM, James Kulubi via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
> The fact that the Bill has been presented to Parliament before the ICT
> Policy review process is completed means that it will be very difficult to
> administer it when enacted into law. Usually, the policy sets vision and
> mission for the sector for a foreseeable future. The policy may have a
> human resource development component. The policy is then implemented
> through legislation, government budget and regulations. When I read the
> reason and memorandum of the bill, the only policy statement that I can see
> is ?to establish a legal framework for the training, registration,
> licensing, practice and standards of Information Communication Technology
> (ICT) professionals in Kenya.?
> The ICT practitioners bill therefore creates some unusual situation.
> Those who can remember, we in the ICT sector faced a similar situation in
> the period 2005 ? 2007. There were many people supporting the legislation
> of the Media Bill but there were serious disagreements on the media council
> membership; licensing of media practitioners; the role of the government;
> the role of the media owners; regulation of print and electronic media,
> offences, and the financing of the Council.
> The government, for instance, while supporting the establishment of the
> Media Council, did not want the Council to be financed from foreign
> sources. On the other hand, some media practitioners did not want to be
> financed by the government.  The middle ground was funding by member
> subscriptions and accreditation. This too was opposed by many media
> practitioners.
> Eventually, a policy was developed through public consultation covering
> such aspects as media ownership, accreditation of journalists, code of
> conduct of journalists and the broadcasting code, etc.
> In my view the policy informing the  ICT professional bill should have
> borrowed heavily from the outcome of current ICT policy review process and
> been subjected to wider stakeholder consultation. The following issues, for
> instance, require wider consultation.
> 1. The definition provided for ICT practitioner which I quote ?ICT
> practitioner (ICTP)" means a person registered under this Act as an ICT
> practitioner who is also licensed under section 20 to practice? is vague,
> misleading and may be viewed as discriminating.
> 2. Many ICT professionals qualify or are already registered by other
> organizations. These include those in fields like Telecommunication
> Engineering, Computer Engineering, Medical Information Systems, financial
> information systems, etc.
> 3. The eligibility for registration which is stated as ?holder of at
> least a bachelor's degree in an ICT related field from a recognized
> university,? is vague and can be abused. Already, we have other fields like
> engineering where applicants for registration are suffering due to this
> condition. Graduates from countries like USSR which offer MSc as first
> degrees cannot be registered. Similarly, those with Higher National Diploma
> who have gone ahead to get MSc and even PhD cannot be registered! Further,
> in some universities like Maseno all degree programmes have an extension
> ?with ICT.? How will the Council treat these degrees?
> 4. Technologists have drafted another bill which is before Parliament.
> How will the Technologists bill co-exist with the ICT practitioners bill?
> 5. There are many institutions carrying out institutional accreditation
> and certification of ICT practitioners. How will such accreditation and
> certification be treated by the Council?
> Best regards,
> Prof. James Kulubi
>
>
> On Wednesday, 6 July 2016, 19:10, Wangari Kabiru via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>
> Blessed Wednesday!
> A handshake to the 2014 article!
> There is a great opportunity for Techies to take their rightful place as
> professionals and be invited to give valued contributions to the nation
> building table.
> As I said earlier, non-Techs will be there. Perhaps another
> classification within the broader "ICT Professional".
> *ICT Practitioners - sounds like a very broad term to attempt to compact
> and create shared guidelines/standards.
> On the said ICT Practitioners Bill - it seems that part of the issue is
> with regard to who is/are behind it. All in all, to have gotten a hearing,
> it means this is an organised group.
> Which is perhaps what this community might seek to engage with and build
> together before "shooting the innovator".
> Blessed day.
> Regards/Wangari
> On Jul 6, 2016 15:47, Alex Watila via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
> Thanks Walu,
> What is the way forward on the bill?
>
> Regards,
>
> Alex
>
>
> *From:* Walubengo J [mailto:jwalu at yahoo.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 6, 2016 3:26 PM
> *To:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> *Cc:* Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis at gmail.com>; Alex Watila <
> awatila at yahoo.co.uk>
> *Subject:* Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views
>
> @Alex, @Muthuri,
>
> Thnx for 'bursting' me @
>
>
>
> http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fkiz/-/index.html
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> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 20:16:01 +0100
> From: Paul Korir <polariseke at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's View
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> This is sheer madness!
>
> We already have legislation (unconstitutional at that) requiring licensing
> of any kind of research (Science, Technology and Innovation Act of 2015,
> Article 12). Was this new dispensation aimed at regulating every liberty we
> have even those that are natural? Regulation always opens the door for
> bureaucratic abuse. This stinks of the same colonial attitude that
> prevented indigenous people from growing cash crops. Whoever came up with
> this bill was of the mindset 'if you can't innovate then ride in their coat
> tails'!
>
> Please can someone stop this madness?!
>
> With kind regards,
> Paul K Korir, PhD
> Ordnung mu? sein
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