[kictanet] Kenya's ICT Practioners Bill: Pay 46K per year for license to practice!

Dennis Muthuri muthuridennis at gmail.com
Wed Jul 6 13:47:37 EAT 2016


Hi Listers,

There's a figure of 46k per year quoted in the header above. I would
appreciate if the person who stated that would clarify where they got the
figure from, given the bill doesn't state a figure.

Regards.
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> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 09:26:06 +0300
> From: Harry Delano <harry26001 at gmail.com>
> To: Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>,  KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
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> Hello Walu,
>
> Clearly the furore this is generating now, is such an "unnecessary"
> distraction at a time when the stakeholder community's focus has been
> solely on the draft policy blue print. Why, pray, wasn't this incorporated
> in the wider policy draft discussions ..!  Sounds like a "spanner in the
> works".   Am sure a number of us were at the tail end of summing up our
> submissions on the draft, then this...!
>
> Harry
>
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Walubengo J via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
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> > Listers,
> >
> > We had wanted your full attention so that I can 'officially' declare the
> > end of our online discussions on the Draft National ICT Policy.
> >
> > But clearly the proposed  ICT practitioners Bill has stolen our thunder
> :-)
> >
> > Either way, I thank all those who contributed as well as those who read
> in
> > silence :-).  We shall have the compiled reports from the KICTAnet list
> as
> > a well as the Jadili platform by the end of the week for your perusal.
> >
> > Thereafter, we shall hold a face2face Validation Workshop at the
> > Strathmore University at a date to be confirmed later on next week.
> > However, you can tentatively keep your Wed 13th open as we firm up  the
> > date with the Ministry.
> >
> > All the best and thanx alot.
> >
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> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 10:28:52 +0300
> From: "Alex Watila" <awatila at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: "'ngethe.kariuki2007'" <ngethe.kariuki2007 at yahoo.co.uk>,
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> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya's ICT Practioners Bill: Pay 46K per year
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> Dear All,
>
> It is recommended that definitions used in laws should be based on
> standards.
>
> IEEE still seems to be debating what the definition of ICT should be.
>
>
>
> Have a look at http://www.pes-spdc.org/content/ict-means
>
>
>
> Also does the bill cover Information Systems Specialists, Software
> Engineers, Project Managers, Data Managers etc
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Alex
>
>
>
>
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> From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila=
> yahoo.co.uk at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of ngethe.kariuki2007 via
> kictanet
> Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 8:05 AM
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> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya's ICT Practioners Bill: Pay 46K per year for
> license to practice!
>
>
>
> Listers,
>
> If anyone has access to a legal definition of ICT, internationally
> recognised, please share on the list so that we can all move forward with a
> common understanding.
>
>
>
> John Kariuki.
>
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
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> Cc: Ahmed Mohamed Maawy <ultimateprogramer at gmail.com <mailto:
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> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya's ICT Practioners Bill: Pay 46K per year for
> license to practice!
>
>
>
> As if its not enough to go to a University to pay to get a degree.
>
> Historically every red-taped innovation company has failed in its own
> inability to Innovate. We do not need to go any further than companies like
> BlackBerry who's app store approval process sometimes even took ages. They
> ended up selling off after being corporate giants with a force to recon,
> because less red-taped innovation outfits came up (iPhones and Androids).
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 8:48 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> >
> wrote:
>
> Listers
>
> I  have changed the subject of this thread to its rightful title, since
> this discussion is not based on the Draft ICT  Policy.
>
> The Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill 2016 is currently in Parliament. It has
> interesting proposals for example to have an Institute that will register
> and license ICT practitioners on payment of the prescribed fees. Read the
> draft bill here:
>
>
> http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunicationTechnologyPractitioners_Bill_2016.pdf
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 20:18:12 +0300
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] FW: [nairobilug] Draft National ICT policy
> From: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> CC: arebacollins at gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins at gmail.com>
> To: ggithaiga at hotmail.com <mailto:ggithaiga at hotmail.com>
>
> Skunkworks should regulate ICT in kenya. :)
>
>
>
> From: kictanet <kictanet-bounces+arebacollins=
> gmail.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:gmail.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke> >
> on behalf of DigitalTVAfrica via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
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> Reply-To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
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> Cc: DigitalTVAfrica <wainaina at DigitalTVAfrica.com <mailto:
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> Subject: Re: [kictanet] FW: [nairobilug] Draft National ICT policy
>
>
>
> This brings up the question of the Computer Society of Kenya (CSK) led by
> Waudo Siganga.....versus the new ICTAK led by Kamotho Njenga / Selasio
> Kiura.
>
>
>
> What was the criteria for picking which of these and any others will
> basically regulate the ICT "profession"?
>
>
>
> ------------
>
> ICTAK
>
> "While I did not intend to comment on the contents of the Bill, I can't
> help but notice that one ICT Association of Kenya will have the arduous
> task of appointing five (out of nine) people to the Council that will
> regulate professionals (Section 4). Pray tell, who is this association?"
>
>
>
>
>
> CSK
>
> (on their website)
> "The Computer Society of Kenya is the recognized association for
> Information, Communication and Technology industries and professionals in
> Kenya, attracting large and active membership from all levels of the IT
> industry and providing a wide range of services to its 6,000 + members."
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2016, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> >
> wrote:
>
> Interesting developments Alex.
>
> My initial reaction after reading the Bill is, questions questions
> questions:
>
> First of all, why would anyone conceive such an idea? To cure what
> problem? How will it better society as a whole? If indeed there was a
> problem to be addressed, couldn't the same have been dealt with in the
> policy process first? Assuming this Bill emanated from the Ministry, why
> would the Ministry undertake a policy review process and at the same time
> undertake a legal process to regulate the profession? And why is regulation
> of ICT professionals not even mentioned in the draft policy? We are always
> ready to engage and I am shocked to have learnt of the process so far in
> the day. Or did ICT professionals have a processes the outcome of which is
> this Bill?
>
>
>
> Speaking of a profession, what is the ICT profession? I see the Bill has
> attempted a definition at section 2 but isn't ICTs the most dynamic and
> cross cutting "profession" we have? Was there a study done to support such
> a disruptive regulation of the profession? Are there other countries that
> regulate their geeks this much? So what informed this legislation?
>
>
>
> Think of all the young people who eke a living from ICT related
> businesses. Why would anyone want to subject all these youth, together with
> those graduating from colleges and universities to one more hurdle before
> they can start working? Can't we leave it to the market to separate the
> very good practitioners from the average ones?
>
> I do not understand the Kenyan obsession with  ever regulating
> professions. What I know is that it is expensive for parents to perpetually
> pay fees before their (overgrown) children can finally get employment. It
> is also an additional cost to businesses as they have to foot the cost of
> compliance for the various professionals they employ or outsource.
>
>
>
> Finally, what are our legislative priorities in this sector? I would have
> thought the Data Protection framework is more urgent and maybe a Cyber
> Security one. While I did not intend to comment on the contents of the
> Bill, I can't help but notice that one ICT Association of Kenya will have
> the arduous task of appointing five (out of nine) people to the Council
> that will regulate professionals (Section 4). Pray tell, who is this
> association?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> 2016-07-05 14:03 GMT+03:00 Alex Watila via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> >:
>
> FYI
>
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> Subject: Re: [nairobilug] Draft National ICT policy
>
> This could be a crushing blow to Kenya's ICT industry. If the USA had such
> a law then so many of their major ICT companies would never have happened.
> To name but 2, neither Steve Jobs nor Bill Gates gained any formal ICT
> qualifications, in fact neither of them passed a degree in anything.
> Several of the leading Linux kernel developers have no formal ICT training.
>
> Tim
>
> On 4 July 2016 at 14:04, Tony White <tony.mzungu at gmail.com <mailto:
> tony.mzungu at gmail.com> > wrote:
> > ...and *this*:
> >
> > http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCo
>
> > mmunicationTechnologyPractitioners_Bill_2016.pdf
> >
> > Which was introduced in the National Assembly last week, which will
> > rquire all ICT 'practitioners' to be licenced (annually!!) and
> > registered, with examination of qualifications, and ongoing
> > 'training'!!
> >
> > Phew!!
> >
> > Tony
> >
> > On 04/07/2016, Ibrahim Ng'eno <eebrah at gmail.com <mailto:eebrah at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Y'all have seen this[1], yes?
> >>
> >> [1]
> >> http://www.information.go.ke/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Draft-Nationa
> >> l-ICT-Policy-20June2016.pdf
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