[kictanet] Kenya's ICT Practioners Bill: Pay 46K per year for license to practice!

Wed Jul 6 08:29:23 EAT 2016

Way forward is, we don't need such a bill in this time and era.Especially
when we should be concerned with dearth of access, content and information
gap.

On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:04 AM, ngethe.kariuki2007 via kictanet <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> Listers,
> If anyone has access to a legal definition of ICT, internationally
> recognised, please share on the list so that we can all move forward with a
> common understanding.
>
> John Kariuki.
>
>
> Sent from Samsung Mobile
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Date:
> To: ngethe.kariuki2007 at yahoo.co.uk
> Cc: Ahmed Mohamed Maawy <ultimateprogramer at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya's ICT Practioners Bill: Pay 46K per year for
> license to practice!
>
>
> As if its not enough to go to a University to pay to get a degree.
>
> Historically every red-taped innovation company has failed in its own
> inability to Innovate. We do not need to go any further than companies like
> BlackBerry who's app store approval process sometimes even took ages. They
> ended up selling off after being corporate giants with a force to recon,
> because less red-taped innovation outfits came up (iPhones and Androids).
>
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 8:48 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> Listers
>>
>> I  have changed the subject of this thread to its rightful title, since
>> this discussion is not based on the Draft ICT  Policy.
>>
>> The Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill 2016 is currently in Parliament. It has
>> interesting proposals for example to have an Institute that will register
>> and license ICT practitioners on payment of the prescribed fees. Read the
>> draft bill here:
>>
>>
>> http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunicationTechnologyPractitioners_Bill_2016.pdf
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 20:18:12 +0300
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] FW: [nairobilug] Draft National ICT policy
>> From: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> CC: arebacollins at gmail.com
>> To: ggithaiga at hotmail.com
>>
>> Skunkworks should regulate ICT in kenya. J
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *kictanet <kictanet-bounces+arebacollins=
>> gmail.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke> on behalf of DigitalTVAfrica via
>> kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> *Reply-To: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> *Date: *Tuesday, 5 July 2016 8:08 pm
>> *To: *Collins Areba <arebacollins at gmail.com>
>> *Cc: *DigitalTVAfrica <wainaina at DigitalTVAfrica.com>
>> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] FW: [nairobilug] Draft National ICT policy
>>
>>
>>
>> This brings up the question of the Computer Society of Kenya (CSK) led by
>> Waudo Siganga.....versus the new ICTAK led by Kamotho Njenga / Selasio
>> Kiura.
>>
>>
>>
>> What was the criteria for picking which of these and any others will
>> basically regulate the ICT "profession"?
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------
>>
>> ICTAK
>>
>> "While I did not intend to comment on the contents of the Bill, I can't
>> help but notice that one ICT Association of Kenya will have the arduous
>> task of appointing five (out of nine) people to the Council that will
>> regulate professionals (Section 4). Pray tell, who is this association?"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> CSK
>>
>> (on their website)
>> "The Computer Society of Kenya is the recognized association for
>> Information, Communication and Technology industries and professionals in
>> Kenya, attracting large and active membership from all levels of the IT
>> industry and providing a wide range of services to its 6,000 + members."
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2016, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via kictanet <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>> Interesting developments Alex.
>>
>> My initial reaction after reading the Bill is, questions questions
>> questions:
>>
>> First of all, why would anyone conceive such an idea? To cure what
>> problem? How will it better society as a whole? If indeed there was a
>> problem to be addressed, couldn't the same have been dealt with in the
>> policy process first? Assuming this Bill emanated from the Ministry, why
>> would the Ministry undertake a policy review process and at the same time
>> undertake a legal process to regulate the profession? And why is regulation
>> of ICT professionals not even mentioned in the draft policy? We are always
>> ready to engage and I am shocked to have learnt of the process so far in
>> the day. Or did ICT professionals have a processes the outcome of which is
>> this Bill?
>>
>>
>>
>> Speaking of a profession, what is the ICT profession? I see the Bill has
>> attempted a definition at section 2 but isn't ICTs the most dynamic and
>> cross cutting "profession" we have? Was there a study done to support such
>> a disruptive regulation of the profession? Are there other countries that
>> regulate their geeks this much? So what informed this legislation?
>>
>>
>>
>> Think of all the young people who eke a living from ICT related
>> businesses. Why would anyone want to subject all these youth, together with
>> those graduating from colleges and universities to one more hurdle before
>> they can start working? Can't we leave it to the market to separate the
>> very good practitioners from the average ones?
>>
>> I do not understand the Kenyan obsession with  ever regulating
>> professions. What I know is that it is expensive for parents to perpetually
>> pay fees before their (overgrown) children can finally get employment. It
>> is also an additional cost to businesses as they have to foot the cost of
>> compliance for the various professionals they employ or outsource.
>>
>>
>>
>> Finally, what are our legislative priorities in this sector? I would have
>> thought the Data Protection framework is more urgent and maybe a Cyber
>> Security one. While I did not intend to comment on the contents of the
>> Bill, I can't help but notice that one ICT Association of Kenya will have
>> the arduous task of appointing five (out of nine) people to the Council
>> that will regulate professionals (Section 4). Pray tell, who is this
>> association?
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> 2016-07-05 14:03 GMT+03:00 Alex Watila via kictanet <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>:
>>
>> FYI
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nairobi-gnu at googlegroups.com [mailto:nairobi-gnu at googlegroups.com]
>> On Behalf Of Tim Schofield
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 11:37 AM
>> To: nairobi-gnu at googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [nairobilug] Draft National ICT policy
>>
>> This could be a crushing blow to Kenya's ICT industry. If the USA had
>> such a law then so many of their major ICT companies would never have
>> happened. To name but 2, neither Steve Jobs nor Bill Gates gained any
>> formal ICT qualifications, in fact neither of them passed a degree in
>> anything. Several of the leading Linux kernel developers have no formal ICT
>> training.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On 4 July 2016 at 14:04, Tony White <tony.mzungu at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > ...and *this*:
>> >
>> > http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCo
>>
>> > mmunicationTechnologyPractitioners_Bill_2016.pdf
>> >
>> > Which was introduced in the National Assembly last week, which will
>> > rquire all ICT 'practitioners' to be licenced (annually!!) and
>> > registered, with examination of qualifications, and ongoing
>> > 'training'!!
>> >
>> > Phew!!
>> >
>> > Tony
>> >
>> > On 04/07/2016, Ibrahim Ng'eno <eebrah at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Y'all have seen this[1], yes?
>> >>
>> >> [1]
>> >> http://www.information.go.ke/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Draft-Nationa
>> >> l-ICT-Policy-20June2016.pdf
>> >>
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