[kictanet] KENYA ICT PRACTITIONERS BILL NOW IN PARLIAMENT, PAY XXX PER YEAR FOR LICENSE TO PRACTICE

Tue Jul 5 20:57:36 EAT 2016

/// The Council shall pay its members such remuneration, fees or allowances for expenses as it may determine upon the advice of the Salaries and Remuneration Commission. ////

Typical Kenyan Rent seeking behavior. Cartelization of Government IT business, wreaks of the “usual suspects” MO . 

There, I said it. 

From: kictanet <kictanet-bounces+arebacollins=gmail.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke> on behalf of Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Reply-To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Tuesday, 5 July 2016 8:50 pm
To: Collins Areba <arebacollins at gmail.com>
Cc: Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
Subject: [kictanet] KENYA ICT PRACTITIONERS BILL NOW IN PARLIAMENT, PAY XXX PER YEAR FOR LICENSE TO PRACTICE

Listers

I know some discussions threads are going on about this but I thought to bring more focus to this issue by starting a thread with the appropriate subject line.

1.  Who was aware of this? 

2. Who originated the Bill and how widely did they consult.

3. How was the ICT professional body that gets to appoint Council members arrived at? (Council members dictate who can b registred/derigistered).

4. Who exactly is an ICT practitioner...given that ICT is an ever evolving field with jobs of the future still being created.

The floor is open.

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Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 20:08:30 +0300

Subject: Re: [kictanet] FW: [nairobilug] Draft National ICT policy
From: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
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To: ggithaiga at hotmail.com

This brings up the question of the Computer Society of Kenya (CSK) led by Waudo Siganga.....versus the new ICTAK led by Kamotho Njenga / Selasio Kiura.

What was the criteria for picking which of these and any others will basically regulate the ICT "profession"?

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ICTAK

"While I did not intend to comment on the contents of the Bill, I can't help but notice that one ICT Association of Kenya will have the arduous task of appointing five (out of nine) people to the Council that will regulate professionals (Section 4). Pray tell, who is this association?"

CSK

(on their website)
"The Computer Society of Kenya is the recognized association for Information, Communication and Technology industries and professionals in Kenya, attracting large and active membership from all levels of the IT industry and providing a wide range of services to its 6,000 + members."

On Tuesday, July 5, 2016, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Interesting developments Alex. 

My initial reaction after reading the Bill is, questions questions questions: 

First of all, why would anyone conceive such an idea? To cure what problem? How will it better society as a whole? If indeed there was a problem to be addressed, couldn't the same have been dealt with in the policy process first? Assuming this Bill emanated from the Ministry, why would the Ministry undertake a policy review process and at the same time undertake a legal process to regulate the profession? And why is regulation of ICT professionals not even mentioned in the draft policy? We are always ready to engage and I am shocked to have learnt of the process so far in the day. Or did ICT professionals have a processes the outcome of which is this Bill? 

Speaking of a profession, what is the ICT profession? I see the Bill has attempted a definition at section 2 but isn't ICTs the most dynamic and cross cutting "profession" we have? Was there a study done to support such a disruptive regulation of the profession? Are there other countries that regulate their geeks this much? So what informed this legislation? 

Think of all the young people who eke a living from ICT related businesses. Why would anyone want to subject all these youth, together with those graduating from colleges and universities to one more hurdle before they can start working? Can't we leave it to the market to separate the very good practitioners from the average ones? 

I do not understand the Kenyan obsession with  ever regulating professions. What I know is that it is expensive for parents to perpetually pay fees before their (overgrown) children can finally get employment. It is also an additional cost to businesses as they have to foot the cost of compliance for the various professionals they employ or outsource. 

Finally, what are our legislative priorities in this sector? I would have thought the Data Protection framework is more urgent and maybe a Cyber Security one. While I did not intend to comment on the contents of the Bill, I can't help but notice that one ICT Association of Kenya will have the arduous task of appointing five (out of nine) people to the Council that will regulate professionals (Section 4). Pray tell, who is this association? 

Regards, 

2016-07-05 14:03 GMT+03:00 Alex Watila via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>:

FYI

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From: nairobi-gnu at googlegroups.com [mailto:nairobi-gnu at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Schofield
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 11:37 AM
To: nairobi-gnu at googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [nairobilug] Draft National ICT policy

This could be a crushing blow to Kenya's ICT industry. If the USA had such a law then so many of their major ICT companies would never have happened. To name but 2, neither Steve Jobs nor Bill Gates gained any formal ICT qualifications, in fact neither of them passed a degree in anything. Several of the leading Linux kernel developers have no formal ICT training.

Tim

On 4 July 2016 at 14:04, Tony White <tony.mzungu at gmail.com> wrote:
> ...and *this*:
>
> http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCo

> mmunicationTechnologyPractitioners_Bill_2016.pdf
>
> Which was introduced in the National Assembly last week, which will
> rquire all ICT 'practitioners' to be licenced (annually!!) and
> registered, with examination of qualifications, and ongoing
> 'training'!!
>
> Phew!!
>
> Tony
>
> On 04/07/2016, Ibrahim Ng'eno <eebrah at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Y'all have seen this[1], yes?
>>
>> [1]
>> http://www.information.go.ke/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Draft-Nationa
>> l-ICT-Policy-20June2016.pdf
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