[kictanet] BAKE condemns the arrest and intimidation of Kenyans online

Wed Jan 27 13:34:27 EAT 2016

Emmanuel,

No need being dramatic....

No one is suggesting anyone rights to be taken away, but I *insist* that
should cut both ways...

So on the same vein we cannot keep quiet when some people are sharing gory
pictures of our dead heroes without due consideration of their loved ones,
and neither should you, BAKE et.al...

Rgds

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Emmanuel Khisa <oloo.khisa at googlemail.com>
wrote:

> So let's just give away these rights...Who needs freedom to express
> themselves...Whenever we argue to handcuff ourselves back into a bottled
> society where KBC is the only channel that provides the story or when we
> don't like a certain politician and therefore feel that we need to hush his
> sentiments we lose big time as a society in the end. We always need to
> remember that politicians come and go and worse yet they are mortals...If
> we make laws to target our support or opposition to certain political
> view-points we lose terribly in the end for tomorrow an Idi Amin will be in
> power and he will eat your lunch and not even one person will have courage
> to stand up for it...
>
> I am always reminded of Martin Niemöller's immortal words:
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> *When the Nazis came for the communists, I remained silent; I was not a
> communist. When they locked up the social democrats, I remained silent; I
> was not a social democrat. When they came for the trade unionists, I did
> not speak out; I was not a trade unionist. When they came for the Jews, I
> remained silent; I wasn't a Jew. When they came for nurses and teachers and
> doctors*
> *I remained silent*
> *I wasn't one of them (My Addition)*
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> *,When they came for the ICT Practitioners, (My Addition) *
> *there was no one left to speak out.*
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> Have a freedom filled day...In all things exercise moderation.
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> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 11:17 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
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>> Mwendwa,
>>
>> I get and understand your PoV.
>>
>> But, the other side of the coin is that there are those who are also
>> misusing the same laws, just as the state is misusing the same laws, to
>> spread the same fear.
>>
>> Organisations such as BAKE should cut both ways when dealing with misuse
>> of the laws.
>>
>> Rgds
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 10:55 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes GG,
>>>
>>> And the constitution actually states those limitations in Chapter 4 of
>>> the constitution, article 24, and 33, and there are many other
>>> legislation which seek to balance these rights.
>>>
>>> But we should be very careful not to play into the hands of those who
>>> want to limit our rights further. States all over are very good in
>>> timing. They make legislation to the law to limit fundamental freedoms
>>> when people are scared. Like currently, we are a very scared society,
>>> and may want to trade off our rights for a sense of security. But if
>>> we do that, it will only be an illusion.
>>>
>>> On 26/01/2016, Grace Githaiga via kictanet
>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>> > @AliDoes free speech eliminate consequences? And considering that
>>> online
>>> > platforms are contested spaces with multiple users, do we need to find
>>> a
>>> > balance? #Just asking.
>>> >
>>> > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 17:39:44 +0300
>>> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] BAKE condemns the arrest and intimidation of
>>> > Kenyans       online
>>> > From: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>> > CC: dmuthoni at gmail.com; muthoni at bake.or.ke;
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>> > To: ggithaiga at hotmail.com
>>> >
>>> > Hi Ali,
>>> > No I don't mean to support any harassment, I was simply urging BAKE to
>>> > encourage responsible blogging. This I believe would be good for all
>>> > bloggers.
>>> > Best, Muthoni
>>> > Dorcas
>>> > With all due respect.
>>> > That sort of blanket condemnation of bloggers is music to the ears of
>>> the
>>> > reactionaries in government. Granted, there are some bad apples. These
>>> bad
>>> > apples sort of remind us of the 'Mad Men' in our villages of
>>> yesteryears.
>>> > How did we used to deal with them? Just because we disagree with
>>> someone
>>> > doesn't mean we harass them and throw them in jail? We need to be
>>> careful we
>>> > don't slide back to the bad old days of Kanu.
>>> > Let the law be specific enough to ensure it is not misused to muzzle
>>> free
>>> > speech and association.Ali
>>> > HusseinPrincipalHussein & Associates
>>> >
>>> >  Tel: +254 713 601113
>>> > Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>> >
>>> > Skype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>>> >
>>> > Blog: www.alyhussein.com
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are
>>> purely mine
>>> > and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the
>>> organizations
>>> > that I work with.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Dorcas Muthoni via kictanet
>>> > <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>> > But the government has a role in this. I don't know if it's been done
>>> in the
>>> > right way. But we have some very irresponsible bloggers out there. I
>>> think
>>> > you also know them as BAKE. Can you please tell us how you are dealing
>>> with
>>> > such bloggers.
>>> > On Jan 25, 2016 11:36 AM, "Jane Muthoni via kictanet"
>>> > <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>> > Hello,
>>> >
>>> > This is a statement BAKE has released on the recent arrest and
>>> prosecution
>>> > of Kenyans online. Read more here:
>>> >
>>> http://www.blog.bake.co.ke/2016/01/24/bake-condemns-the-arrest-and-intimidation-of-kenyans-online/----
>>> >
>>> > Kind regards,
>>> >
>>> > Jane Muthoni | Administration Manager, Bloggers Association of Kenya
>>> (BAKE)
>>> >
>>> > T: 0733522229, 0704090471 | personal - 0720 800927
>>> > e: muthoni at bake.or.ke w: bake.co.ke | b: blog.bake.co.ke
>>> >
>>> > skype: muthoni.gachango | twitter: @cheekynoni
>>> >
>>> >
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