[kictanet] ICT Authority to weed out quacks

Fri Dec 2 16:53:42 EAT 2016

Thank you Paul,

But free speech is free speech. There is no paranoia here. Only freedom of
expression.

On 2 Dec 2016 4:50 p.m., "Paul Korir via kictanet" <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> Fellow Listers,
> (Please read through until the end before reacting.)
>
> It is unfortunate that this issue has arisen before the dust from the ICT
> Practioners Bill has settled. There are a lot of pent up emotions (and
> rightly so) associated with confronting policy corruption. This has not
> only affected ICT but other fields (I seem to be the only one angered by
> some of the sections of the Science, Technology and Innovation Act).
>
> It is also unfortunate that that the subject of this thread is misleading
> or incomplete at best and that the journalist who penned this piece did not
> take the time to dissect the issues. For example, there is no explicit
> statement that this applies only to government expenditure and the
> reference at the end is vague (“…that the government has an interest in.”)
>
> Nevertheless, government agencies have a duty to protect the public’s
> interests in delivering service to the people. In this case, the issue is
> the use of public funds (not private capital) in procuring government
> contracts and the ICTA is proposing regulation to this end. Please remember
> that the mandate of ICTA is to serve the government and not the private
> sector.
>
> “The Authority is tasked with rationalising and streamlining the
> management of all Government of Kenya ICT functions.” (from
> http://www.icta.go.ke/ict-authority/).
>
> To the best of my understanding (and the functions of the ICTA) the
> statement by the CEO have no bearing on private procurement and application
> of ICT to private business. This is not a move to regulate the ICT sector
> but to secure the procurement of ICT services in government functions. In
> other words, quacks are those who are stealing public funds by masquerading
> as ICT professionals. Now, who would be opposed to that?
>
> I think paranoia is beginning to get the better of us…
>
> Dr. Paul Korir, PhD
> +44 7780 283 183 <+44%207780%20283183>
> *Ordnung muß sein*
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>   1. Re: ICT Authority to weed out quacks (Ahmed Mohamed Maawy)
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> From: Ahmed Mohamed Maawy <ultimateprogramer at gmail.com>
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> Fellows,
>
> We will be the 1st market in the history of the world to kill innovation by
> regulating it.
>
> According to Wikipedia *Innovation* is defined simply as a "*new idea,
> device, or method*". However, innovation is often also viewed as the
> *application
> of better solutions that meet new requirements, unarticulated needs*, or
> existing market needs. This is accomplished through more-effective
> products, processes, services, technologies, or business models that are
> readily available to markets, governments and society. The term
> "innovation" can be defined as something original and more effective and,
> as a consequence, new, that "breaks into" the market or society. It is
> related to, but not the same as, invention.
>
> If Innovation is related to invention. Who in the world ever invented
> anything under a very strict regulatory framework ?? Isn't it that we
> constantly talk about people who invented new things to break the norm?
> (including status quo in a society hell bent to set norms and standards to
> tell people like Thomas Edisson that he can't do a lightbulb and the Wright
> Brothers that they can't fly?)
>
> Again, And what school ever taught an inventor to invent anything?
>
> The kid in Maasai Mara who invented a technology to scare away lions (and
> got TV airtime just because someone discovered him with a mindset outside
> the education system) - did he ever go to school?
>
> Can we go on giving countless statements on this?
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Collins Areba via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
> Thank you Andrew: a true geriatric in this world. (I did my fair share of
> fortran 77 btw)
>
> I think the problem is clear: irregular tendering, leading in quacks being
> awarded tenders for one reason or another at the expense of legitimately
> qualified suppliers. Now, if you ask me, Thats the domain of Public
> Procurements Oversight Authority.
>
> Maybe the said parties should seek representation in the said authority,
> or maybe we should seek a common "ICT practitioners" position or checklist
> for the PPPOA to consider when setting rules.
>
> My 2 cents.
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Kevin Kamonye via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
> My ideal scenario as regards to post secondary school;
>
> 1. Enroll for a program like NYS/ Police/ Military for at least 1 year to
> learn essential life skills.
> 2. Continue serving or get into the job market for at least 2 years doing
> some paid internship/apprenticeship (savings scheme for school fees )
> 3. Go for Undergraduate studies - Dip/Bachelor (part-time/ distance
> learning for non-eng. courses)
> 4. Back to work - start of specialisation for at least 5 years
> 5. Masters  etc. but after a very thorough interviewing/ career review
> process before being enrolled to any program
>
> These certifications are in some ways hurting the industry. But I guess
> they are a necessary evil as the job market is flooded with people who can
> get the job done.
>
> Perhaps we should have a common framework that acts as a lifetime
> Continuous Assesment Test (CAT) for every sector of the industry that is
> publicly and commonly administered by selected panels for every region.
> Like a LinkedIN where endorsements for skills actually mean something.
>
> As for me, the industry I have been trying to break into to start my
> specialisation (Cyber Security OPs) seems to have a thing for seeing the
> entire alphabet on your CV :) This quack has thrown in the towel and am
> back at school (actually started my end of semester exams today).
>
> Kevin
>
> On 2 December 2016 at 14:35, JImmy Gitonga via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
> Wow Andrew,
>
> It seems that is everyone's journey here until "recently" when Computer
> Science became a course in our universities. I am a "quack" as much as you
> are.
>
> I loved the story and all the best.
>
> So, Listers, this is my take. The problem is that the government has
> allowed tenderpreneurs to flourish in every sector, and the experts in the
> government, who ought to supervise, are compromised for various reasons.
>
> We are just feeling the heat now because we are in the way of the rent
> seekers. Look at our mechanical engineering sector and see the chaos caused
> by "regulation".
>
> Regards
>
> Jimmy Gitonga
> *Web and Motion*
>
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>   1. Re: ICT Authority to weed out quacks (Andrew Alston)
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> From: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
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> Hi All,
>
> I wade into this debate with a great degree of caution, but at the same
> time I feel it would be amiss not to tell my own story ? and let you judge
> my stance from that.
>
> When I was 12 years old, living in South Africa, I walked door to door
> at every computer shop in the town I lived in, begging for a chance to help
> out in the stores ? I didn?t want money ? I wanted to be near the
> machines.  There was a guy, interestingly he shared my first name, and
> decided he?d give me a chance, and so at 12 years old I started showing up
> on Saturdays and installing dos on machines and installing windows 3.1 and
> hanging around their workshop.  By the time I was 13, I was putting
> together machines for them. They were even kind enough to give me the
> equivalent of 140 KSH for a Saturday morning.
>
> Somewhere along the way, I got hold of a copy of turbo pascal and
> begged pleaded and borrowed some manuals and taught myself how to program,
> first in pascal, and then in assembler.  By the time I was 16, I was then
> faced with a choice.  I could stick with high school, finish, leave at the
> same time as everyone else, go to universities, spend years getting a
> degree, and then enter the job market at the same time as all my school
> friends.  Or, due to the age of the industry and how new it was where I was
> growing up, I could leave school, get a job, and get a 2 and a half year
> experience head start on everyone I was at school with.  I made my choice,
> and in around March, 3 months into grade 10, I clearly remember getting up
> in the middle of science class, and walking out.  I never went back.
>
> By the time I left though, I had already organized myself a job,
> relying on the experience I had working in computer stores for the previous
> 3 and a half odd years, and relying on the fact that I could already
> program.  So, I got on a bus, at age 16, travelled a thousand kilometres
> down to Cape Town and started my working life.  Over the next few years, I
> worked my ass off, earned just enough money to keep me afloat, and
> eventually started my own IT security company, got defrauded, went broke as
> a result, got up, and started again.  Eventually ending up working for the
> University of Cape Town in their IT department.  While there I started
> moonlighting for TENET (the South African academic network), and eventually
> ended up as their CTO where I was for 6 years.  After leaving there and
> doing a whole bunch of contracting (primarily for various universities), I
> took a contract with Liquid which eventually ended up becoming permanent
> and I ended up where I am today, in a senior position building networks
> across the continent.
>
> The point of this story is ? there are individuals out there who have
> chosen a different route ? I am not alone in the path I took, and I am not
> special, I was not born to wealth and honestly I don?t think I could have
> afforded to go to University anyway ? my parents certainly didn?t have the
> money to pay for it, nor was I born with insane brain power, I merely chose
> to find my own path and work hard to reach the heights I have.  And in all
> of this ? I fail to see why any system should penalize people such as
> myself, and indirectly penalize the people who I could share my knowledge
> and experience with.  I fail to see why a qualification actually matters if
> someone can *prove* they can do the job ? and do it well, with an equal
> amount of passion, drive and skill, however it was acquired.
>
> Obviously, this post is written from an intensely personal perspective,
> but I argue that there are many who shared the path I chose to walk, and I
> believe that anything that removes the ability of these people to
> contribute to society and to our industry, is unfair, dangerous and against
> the interests of the industry as a whole.
>
> I know that I am PROUD to work in this industry, it is with pride that
> I stand among my colleagues, both Kenyan and otherwise, both certified and
> non-certified, and I just want the opportunity to continue the work I have
> dedicated the last 21 years of my life to and continue to build this
> industry and be able to contribute.
>
> Just my thoughts
>
> Andrew
>
>
> From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+andrew.alston=
> liquidtelecom.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Dorcas Muthoni
> via kictanet
> Sent: 02 December 2016 11:53
> To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> Cc: Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Authority to weed out quacks
>
>
> Unfortunately, judging from my experience,  both in public and private
> sector, HR and top IT management do indeed either get it wrong, lack
> ability or sometimes objectivity while onboarding vendors or staff.
>
> In which case,  industry professionals can help in defining a criteria
> for all. This of course should also be shared with tertiary institutions
> and universities.
>
> As we know,  new professions are being defined daily. Some core
> fundamentals remain the same.
>
> On Dec 2, 2016 11:27 AM, "Francis Nderitu via kictanet" <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
> wrote:
> In my own view this kind of vetting they are asking for should be
> institutional but not individual - which is already happening naturally.
> Does Company A have the capacity to offer service XYZ? That kind of
> approach could be helpful, just like in the construction industry, diffrent
> companies have diffrent clearance level.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:03 AM, Nelson J kwaje via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
> wrote:
>
> @James,
>
> I like how people are open minded about ICT professional.  it is okay
> to be a drop out, it is okay to not have any qualifications, just have
> passion and be good at what you do.
>
> Doctors and Pilots used to be treated the same way. few  regulations,
> few standards and no regularity body  until we realized that our lives
> depends on these people and their mistakes can be catastrophic.
>
> The ICT Industry is heading in the same direction. our errors  are
> starting to cause some serious damages  and the society is right when it
> demands some yardstick to know who is who.
>
> Will you fly with an uncertified pilot ?
>
> Can you go to the  operating theater  with a passionate and committed
> doctor but no certificate ?
>
> Why will you accept anyone to mange  the system for your bank,
> hospital, airport and even national security.
>
> Cheers
>
> Nelson
>
>
> On 02/12/2016 10:42 WD, James Muendo wrote:
> Nelson,
>
> "we can not sit and and watch as the industry gets  diluted in the name
> of innovation and disruption."
>
> I think what you have quoted there is what drives the profession and
> the industry at large. What you are suggesting is we curb creativity of
> people who seek to curb a niche out of the huge industry. As Ahmed said,
> this is not like professions, like, being a doctor or a lawyer that have a
> pre-set set of standards. If anything, the industry thrives on its dynamic
> nature, which leads to disruption and innovation.
>
> On that I beg to disagree with you. Also, in terms of standards, if we
> look outside .KE, what other country/town has ICT standards?
>
> Am with Ngigi in this one, we need to separate business from
> profession. The tricky bit, would be, what criteria will you use to do so.
>
> Regards,
>
> On 2 December 2016 at 10:28, Nelson J kwaje via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
> wrote:
>
> Let us face it, the ICT Industry has a problem with  standards,
> ambiguity rules the ICT Industry in Kenya.  the words below can have as
> many meanings as the are ICT professionals
>
>  *   Cloud Solution
>  *   Software Architect
>  *   Software Developer
>  *   IoT
>  *   Web APP
>  *   and many other
>
> we can not sit and and watch as the industry gets  diluted in the name
> of innovation and disruption.
>
>
> On 02/12/2016 10:12 WD, Dorcas Muthoni via kictanet wrote:
>
> My point is,  chaos are eminent in the industry.  Is it what we want..
> NO.
>
> Then, let's agree on the criteria. ICT Authority is part of the
> KICTANET community, let's engage them, instead of shooting in your defense.
> Let's get a constructive multi-stakeholder engagement.
>
> I am afraid that having a few highly opinionated people rule mailing
> lists stalls multi-stakeholder participation.
>
> I hope that the ICT Authority is listening somewhere.
>
> On Dec 2, 2016 10:00 AM, "Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet" <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
> wrote:
> Its not really about why people feel insecure. Its about what policy is
> meant to do. Why? Technologists are not doctors or lawyers.
> With all due respect. What does the education system offer as a
> yardstick for competence? Most of us got jobs before we even graduated
> school. And we went on to work for projects and institutions that went on
> to win Awards in the international arena.
>
> You see, IT is not about being a Doctor or being a Lawyer (where theory
> is a factor). IT is an operational field. IT, more than any other field -
> is based on Talent. Not much on Knowledge. This is why we have so many
> people out of Uni looking for Internships that they can not find. In a
> market where the dynamics are governed by people who did not even do that
> degree - to drive technical jobs.
>
> And yes, we have several CEOs in several companies who (and some of
> them entrepreneur their own way through) did not even do a BCom at the
> least. Some of them did not even see an higher learning institution.
> We need to understand that the market dynamics are shifting. Schools in
> developing are evolving. Why? Because Technology has changed the education
> field. The education field is not changing technology. Apologies if we
> believe so.
> Just my two cents.
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 9:39 AM, Collins Areba via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
> wrote:
> @Dorcas.
> Before we even get to answering why many people are insecure about the
> discussion, I would point to the more obvious question. What are the
> protagonists trying to do? what are they trying to solve? Unfortunately
> thus far, It is not clear. What is in need of regulation? and why does it
> need to be regulated? is this regulation for regulation's sake?
>
> I did mention yesterday that from my point of view, Regulation makes
> sense only where there is a limited resource, shared by many, which left
> without regulation would result in disorder and "law of the jungle". Which
> ICT component is this that needs to be streamlined to prevent it from
> spiralling out of control?
>
> From where I sit, It feels like a bunch of individuals feel
> shortchanged about the time, effort and money they spent in learning "the
> science" only to come out here and find the arena flattened by the same
> technology. It feels like "the bill" which seeks to assign non existent
> value to those that feel some level of entitlement to that "ict
> professional" title purely on the basis of having done ICT formally.
>
> I stand corrected.
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 9:02 AM, Dorcas Muthoni via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
> wrote:
>
> Why are so many people insecure about this topic.
>
> Can a bank CEO act as the principal legal officer of a bank? Why not?
>
> Which Innovators are these people are referring to?  As far as I know,
> most of the referenced global innovators dropped out of some computer
> science programs and employ thousands of highly qualified CS and
> engineering graduates.
>
> I don't think starting a box-pushing or software license reselling
> entity coupled with hiring a few technicians can turn anyone into a domain
> professional.  Let's get this straight and boldly address the true issues
> at hand.
>
> Obviously,  this loose arrangement is leading to the proliferation of
> extreme tender-prenuership.
>
> Can anyone point me to potential local Bill Gates, Larry Page or Mark
> Mark Zuckerberg. We can't use such example to complicate this discussion.
>
> If anything, we should be providing a friendly environment those with
> money and great experience invest in highly scalable startups.
>
> Nothing bars anyone who falls short of an agreed criteria from working
> on it.
>
> Obviously,  we cannot water down such an important topic.
>
> On Dec 1, 2016 10:28 PM, "Alfred Kinyua via kictanet" <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
> wrote:
>
> Two things stand out, concerning ICT Authority.
> 1. Conformance of set standards (raising the bar).
> 2. locking out unqualified personnel, where government has interests .
> This is not a trivial issue, because one might be qualified but
> incompetent (theorists) / unsitable, while the opposite might be true,
> unqualufied but competent/suitable, this is true for ICT realtad mattets.
> Personally I thing further probing is required.
>
> On Dec 1, 2016 22:01, "Beryl Aidi via kictanet" <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
> wrote:
> Hi All,
> Law and policy seldom exist in a vacuum. Does anyone know anywhere in
> the world where the kind of regulation or ICT standards being anticipated
> to be used to weed out quacks have been used successfully? Successfully
> here being key, which means no victimization of those without any
> certifications that may exist; startups; or those just playing around and
> happen to stumble on something that may end up taking the world by storm;
> and by no means a way to stifle internet freedoms. Anyone knows where such
> a model exists? My two cents.
>
> Beryl Aidi
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 9:41 PM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
> wrote:
> In summary... ICT is "...A coalition of The Willing..."
>
> Waithaka Ngigi
>
> Alliance Technologies
> www.at.co.ke<http://www.at.co.ke>
> From: Collins Areba via kictanet
> Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 9:30 PM
> To: Ngigi Waithaka
> Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> Cc: Collins Areba; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Authority to weed out quacks
>
>
>
> Exactly!
> ICT is a disruptive sector. It is unfortunate when we attempt to define
> it as one would engineering, or architecture, or survey. The action -
> reaction - feedback - correction continum time wise is soo tiny. A decision
> for instance in some of these association, say which colour to paint a wall
> might take four months.
>
> I would still ask, what is the problem we are trying to solve? If this
> can be defined we should be in a position to find solutions collectively.
>
> On 1 Dec 2016 21:12, "Mwendwa Kivuva" <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com<m
> ailto:Kivuva at transworldafrica.com>> wrote:
>
> The said procurement quacks are like Josephine Kabura. But they are not
> really quacks because they work as conduits for their masters in high
> places.
>
> If it was possible to weed out "quacks" from the industry, the said
> masters would still use the "professionals" to commit heinous crimes.
>
> Show me major scandals in Kenya conducted by quacks and I will show you
> a liar. Goldenberg, Anglo-leasing, euro bond...
>
> On Dec 1, 2016 7:36 PM, "Collins Areba via kictanet" <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
> wrote:
>
> I believe regulation should only be present where there is a limited,
> shared resource that might be subject to abuse. Short of having a set of
> rules: don't test an EMP in a built up area, don't access government
> servers even if their passwords are admin, admin. Don't give the
> president's number on twitter, etc etc etc. That is progressive
> legislation.
>
> On 1 Dec 2016 18:24, "Collins Areba" <arebacollins at gmail.com<mailto:
> arebacollins at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Dorcas: show me the chaos. Then we discuss order.
>
> On 1 Dec 2016 18:17, "James Muendo" <james at muendo.co.ke<mailto:jam
> es at muendo.co.ke>> wrote:
> Collins,
>
> +1
>
>
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> Too Brief? Here's Why
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 6:15 PM +0300, "Collins Areba via kictanet" <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
> wrote:
>
> Personally I seek examples of the damage done by the said quacks that
> professional institutions haven't done. The distinct point of departure
> which will show the distinct difference so as to justify regulation.
>
> On 1 Dec 2016 17:32, "waudo siganga via kictanet" <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
> wrote:
> Kivuva, you forgot Zuckerberg.
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet wrote:
> College drop outs who rule the world.
>
> Michael Saul Dell, William Henry ?Bill? Gates iii, Paul Gardner Allen,
> Lawrence Joseph Ellison, Stephen ?Woz? Wozniak, Steven Paul Jobs, Robert
> Edward ?Ted? Turner iii
> http://lord.me.ke/college-dropouts-who-rule-the-world/
>
> I wonder who among those would be considered an ICT pro in Kenya.
>
> ______________________
> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
> twitter.com/lordmwesh<http://twitter.com/lordmwesh>
>
>
>
> On 1 December 2016 at 12:03, Ali Hussein via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
> wrote:
> The real important question has not been answered. Not since the term
> ICT started being used.
>
> WHO IS AN ICT PRACTITIONER?
>
> And who is this WATCHDOG who will abrogate himself/herself the role of
> GateKeeper and RentSeeker?
>
> Ali Hussein
> Principal
> Hussein & Associates
> +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113> <+254%20713%20601113><tel:+
> 254%20713%20601113>
>
>
> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>
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>
> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>
> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking
> what no one else has thought".  ~ Albert Szent-Gy?rgyi
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 1 Dec 2016, at 10:51 AM, Athar Ahmad Bhatti via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
> wrote:
>
> Brian they will implant a chip in your brain and track your IQ to see
> whether you are fit for IT. Whereas the millennial generation will lose
> most as they are hands on.
>
> Athar Ahmad Bhatti
> +254726488311 <+254%20726%20488311> <+254%20726%20488311><tel:+
> 254%20726%20488311>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM +0300, "Brian Muhia via kictanet" <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
> wrote:
>
> This is only to be applied to people trying to do contract jobs for the
> government, right?
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:27 AM WANGARI KABIRU via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
> wrote:
> Blessed Thursday!
>
> Might the sector be getting its shape?
>
> Private schooling started as an innovative approach to education - now
> we even have more innovative home schooling and best practice approaches.
> Healthcare etc
>
> Who has helped to weed out quacks proactively in most instances - it is
> the industry associations working with the governments. An angle to borrow
> from.
>
> "....He said the authority will in the next couple of weeks launch ICT
> standards where every professional in the field seeking to serve public
> service must comply.
> ?One of the things which we are doing very soon in the next couple of
> weeks, is that we shall be launching ICT standard, these are ICT national
> standards and we plan on having them effective from first of January and
> based on that vendors will have to comply with the standards,? said the
> CEO, adding that those who will not comply to the standards will be
> blacklisted..."
>
> How might the players engage in the discourse to give it shape while
> keep its jelly-nature?
>
> Be blessed.
>
> Regards/Wangari
>
> ---
> Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are
> Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of
> God on Earth".
>
>
> On Thursday, 1 December 2016, 8:43, Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
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