[kictanet] ICT Authority to weed out quacks

Dorcas Muthoni dmuthoni at gmail.com
Fri Dec 2 09:02:41 EAT 2016


Why are so many people insecure about this topic.

Can a bank CEO act as the principal legal officer of a bank? Why not?

Which Innovators are these people are referring to?  As far as I know,
most of the referenced global innovators dropped out of some computer
science programs and employ thousands of highly qualified CS and
engineering graduates.

I don't think starting a box-pushing or software license reselling entity
coupled with hiring a few technicians can turn anyone into a domain
professional.  Let's get this straight and boldly address the true issues
at hand.

Obviously,  this loose arrangement is leading to the proliferation of
extreme tender-prenuership.

Can anyone point me to potential local Bill Gates, Larry Page or Mark Mark
Zuckerberg. We can't use such example to complicate this discussion.

If anything, we should be providing a friendly environment those with money
and great experience invest in highly scalable startups.

Nothing bars anyone who falls short of an agreed criteria from working on
it.

Obviously,  we cannot water down such an important topic.

On Dec 1, 2016 10:28 PM, "Alfred Kinyua via kictanet" <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> Two things stand out, concerning ICT Authority.
> 1. Conformance of set standards (raising the bar).
> 2. locking out unqualified personnel, where government has interests .
> This is not a trivial issue, because one might be qualified but
> incompetent (theorists) / unsitable, while the opposite might be true,
> unqualufied but competent/suitable, this is true for ICT realtad mattets.
> Personally I thing further probing is required.
>
> On Dec 1, 2016 22:01, "Beryl Aidi via kictanet" <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>> Law and policy seldom exist in a vacuum. Does anyone know anywhere in the
>> world where the kind of regulation or ICT standards being anticipated to be
>> used to weed out quacks have been used successfully? Successfully here
>> being key, which means no victimization of those without any certifications
>> that may exist; startups; or those just playing around and happen to
>> stumble on something that may end up taking the world by storm; and by no
>> means a way to stifle internet freedoms. Anyone knows where such a model
>> exists? My two cents.
>>
>> Beryl Aidi
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 9:41 PM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>>> In summary... ICT is "...A coalition of The Willing..."
>>>
>>> Waithaka Ngigi
>>>
>>> Alliance Technologies
>>> www.at.co.ke
>>> *From: *Collins Areba via kictanet
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, December 1, 2016 9:30 PM
>>> *To: *Ngigi Waithaka
>>> *Reply To: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>> *Cc: *Collins Areba; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] ICT Authority to weed out quacks
>>>
>>> Exactly!
>>> ICT is a disruptive sector. It is unfortunate when we attempt to define
>>> it as one would engineering, or architecture, or survey. The action -
>>> reaction - feedback - correction continum time wise is soo tiny. A decision
>>> for instance in some of these association, say which colour to paint a wall
>>> might take four months.
>>>
>>> I would still ask, what is the problem we are trying to solve? If this
>>> can be defined we should be in a position to find solutions collectively.
>>>
>>> On 1 Dec 2016 21:12, "Mwendwa Kivuva" <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The said procurement quacks are like Josephine Kabura. But they are not
>>>> really quacks because they work as conduits for their masters in high
>>>> places.
>>>>
>>>> If it was possible to weed out "quacks" from the industry, the said
>>>> masters would still use the "professionals" to commit heinous crimes.
>>>>
>>>> Show me major scandals in Kenya conducted by quacks and I will show you
>>>> a liar. Goldenberg, Anglo-leasing, euro bond...
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 1, 2016 7:36 PM, "Collins Areba via kictanet" <
>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I believe regulation should only be present where there is a limited,
>>>>> shared resource that might be subject to abuse. Short of having a set of
>>>>> rules: don't test an EMP in a built up area, don't access government
>>>>> servers even if their passwords are admin, admin. Don't give the
>>>>> president's number on twitter, etc etc etc. That is progressive
>>>>> legislation.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1 Dec 2016 18:24, "Collins Areba" <arebacollins at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dorcas: show me the chaos. Then we discuss order.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2016 18:17, "James Muendo" <james at muendo.co.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Collins,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> James Muendo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chief Executive Officer (CEO),
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Logic Craft Ltd,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Suite 39, 2nd Floor, Visions Plaza, Mombasa Road
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> P.O Box 28016 – 00200,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nairobi,KE
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> M:| +254.725.567.508 S: | tim.rick Gtalk:| james.muendo T: |
>>>>>>> @MmuendoW:|http://about.me/muendo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Too Brief? Here's Why
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 6:15 PM +0300, "Collins Areba via kictanet" <
>>>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Personally I seek examples of the damage done by the said quacks
>>>>>>>> that professional institutions haven't done. The distinct point of
>>>>>>>> departure which will show the distinct difference so as to justify
>>>>>>>> regulation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2016 17:32, "waudo siganga via kictanet" <
>>>>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kivuva, you forgot Zuckerberg.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> College drop outs who rule the world.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Michael Saul Dell, William Henry “Bill” Gates iii, Paul Gardner
>>>>>>>>> Allen, Lawrence Joseph Ellison, Stephen “Woz” Wozniak, Steven Paul Jobs,
>>>>>>>>> Robert Edward “Ted” Turner iii
>>>>>>>>> http://lord.me.ke/college-dropouts-who-rule-the-world/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I wonder who among those would be considered an ICT pro in Kenya.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ______________________
>>>>>>>>> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
>>>>>>>>> twitter.com/lordmwesh
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 1 December 2016 at 12:03, Ali Hussein via kictanet <
>>>>>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The real important question has not been answered. Not since the
>>>>>>>>> term ICT started being used.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> WHO IS AN ICT PRACTITIONER?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And who is this WATCHDOG who will abrogate himself/herself the
>>>>>>>>> role of GateKeeper and RentSeeker?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ali Hussein
>>>>>>>>> Principal
>>>>>>>>> Hussein & Associates
>>>>>>>>> +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and
>>>>>>>>> thinking what no one else has thought".  ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2016, at 10:51 AM, Athar Ahmad Bhatti via kictanet <
>>>>>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Brian they will implant a chip in your brain and track your IQ to
>>>>>>>>> see whether you are fit for IT. Whereas the millennial generation will lose
>>>>>>>>> most as they are hands on.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Athar Ahmad Bhatti
>>>>>>>>> +254726488311 <+254%20726%20488311>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM +0300, "Brian Muhia via kictanet"
>>>>>>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is only to be applied to people trying to do contract jobs
>>>>>>>>> for the government, right?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:27 AM WANGARI KABIRU via kictanet <
>>>>>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Blessed Thursday!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Might the sector be getting its shape?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Private schooling started as an innovative approach to education -
>>>>>>>>> now we even have more innovative home schooling and best practice
>>>>>>>>> approaches. Healthcare etc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Who has helped to weed out quacks proactively in most instances -
>>>>>>>>> it is the industry associations working with the governments. An angle to
>>>>>>>>> borrow from.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "....He said the authority will in the next couple of weeks launch
>>>>>>>>> ICT standards where every professional in the field seeking to serve public
>>>>>>>>> service must comply.
>>>>>>>>> “One of the things which we are doing very soon in the next couple
>>>>>>>>> of weeks, is that we shall be launching ICT standard, these are ICT
>>>>>>>>> national standards and we plan on having them effective from first of
>>>>>>>>> January and based on that vendors will have to comply with the standards,”
>>>>>>>>> said the CEO, adding that those who will not comply to the standards will
>>>>>>>>> be blacklisted..."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How might the players engage in the discourse to give it shape
>>>>>>>>> while keep its jelly-nature?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Be blessed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards/Wangari
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>> Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are
>>>>>>>>> Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of
>>>>>>>>> God on Earth".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 1 December 2016, 8:43, Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via
>>>>>>>>> kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well in this case this dog could come biting back at the same
>>>>>>>>> people who unleashed it. That is if we take into consideration how our
>>>>>>>>> institutions are run.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <
>>>>>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Listers
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All Information Communication and Technology (ICT) professionals
>>>>>>>>> will now be vetted to weed out quacks and sanitise the industry, ICT
>>>>>>>>> Authority chief executive officer Robert Mugo said yesterday.
>>>>>>>>> He said the authority is alarmed by the rising of cases of
>>>>>>>>> individuals and groups masquerading as ICT experts seeking to tender for
>>>>>>>>> services in the counties.
>>>>>>>>> Read on:-
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *FastMail WARNING: URL text and host don't match, possible
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>>>>>>>>> <http://www.mediamaxn>etwork.co.ke/people-
>>>>>>>>> <http://etwork.co.ke/people->daily/277875/ict-authority-weed-quacks/'.
>>>>>>>>> Original text='http://www.mediamaxnetwork.co
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>>>>>>>>> authority-weed-quacks/'. For more information on phishing click here
>>>>>>>>> <http:///docs/phishing.html>.*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ali Hussein
>>>>>>>>> Principal
>>>>>>>>> Hussein & Associates
>>>>>>>>> +254 0713 601113
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>>>>>>>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>>>>>>>> LinkedIn: *FastMail WARNING: URL text and host don't match,
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>>>>>>>>> <http://ke.linkedin.c>om/in/alihkassim'. Original text='http://ke.linkedin
>>>>>>>>> <http://ke.linkedin>. com/in/alihkassim'. For more information on phishing
>>>>>>>>> click here <http:///docs/phishing.html>.*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and
>>>>>>>>> thinking what no one else has thought".  ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>>
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