[kictanet] ICT Authority to weed out quacks

Thu Dec 1 22:26:05 EAT 2016

Two things stand out, concerning ICT Authority.
1. Conformance of set standards (raising the bar).
2. locking out unqualified personnel, where government has interests .
This is not a trivial issue, because one might be qualified but incompetent
(theorists) / unsitable, while the opposite might be true, unqualufied but
competent/suitable, this is true for ICT realtad mattets. Personally I
thing further probing is required.

On Dec 1, 2016 22:01, "Beryl Aidi via kictanet" <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> Hi All,
> Law and policy seldom exist in a vacuum. Does anyone know anywhere in the
> world where the kind of regulation or ICT standards being anticipated to be
> used to weed out quacks have been used successfully? Successfully here
> being key, which means no victimization of those without any certifications
> that may exist; startups; or those just playing around and happen to
> stumble on something that may end up taking the world by storm; and by no
> means a way to stifle internet freedoms. Anyone knows where such a model
> exists? My two cents.
>
> Beryl Aidi
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 9:41 PM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> In summary... ICT is "...A coalition of The Willing..."
>>
>> Waithaka Ngigi
>>
>> Alliance Technologies
>> www.at.co.ke
>> *From: *Collins Areba via kictanet
>> *Sent: *Thursday, December 1, 2016 9:30 PM
>> *To: *Ngigi Waithaka
>> *Reply To: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>> *Cc: *Collins Areba; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] ICT Authority to weed out quacks
>>
>> Exactly!
>> ICT is a disruptive sector. It is unfortunate when we attempt to define
>> it as one would engineering, or architecture, or survey. The action -
>> reaction - feedback - correction continum time wise is soo tiny. A decision
>> for instance in some of these association, say which colour to paint a wall
>> might take four months.
>>
>> I would still ask, what is the problem we are trying to solve? If this
>> can be defined we should be in a position to find solutions collectively.
>>
>> On 1 Dec 2016 21:12, "Mwendwa Kivuva" <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The said procurement quacks are like Josephine Kabura. But they are not
>>> really quacks because they work as conduits for their masters in high
>>> places.
>>>
>>> If it was possible to weed out "quacks" from the industry, the said
>>> masters would still use the "professionals" to commit heinous crimes.
>>>
>>> Show me major scandals in Kenya conducted by quacks and I will show you
>>> a liar. Goldenberg, Anglo-leasing, euro bond...
>>>
>>> On Dec 1, 2016 7:36 PM, "Collins Areba via kictanet" <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I believe regulation should only be present where there is a limited,
>>>> shared resource that might be subject to abuse. Short of having a set of
>>>> rules: don't test an EMP in a built up area, don't access government
>>>> servers even if their passwords are admin, admin. Don't give the
>>>> president's number on twitter, etc etc etc. That is progressive
>>>> legislation.
>>>>
>>>> On 1 Dec 2016 18:24, "Collins Areba" <arebacollins at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dorcas: show me the chaos. Then we discuss order.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1 Dec 2016 18:17, "James Muendo" <james at muendo.co.ke> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Collins,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> James Muendo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chief Executive Officer (CEO),
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Logic Craft Ltd,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Suite 39, 2nd Floor, Visions Plaza, Mombasa Road
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P.O Box 28016 – 00200,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nairobi,KE
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> M:| +254.725.567.508 S: | tim.rick Gtalk:| james.muendo T: |
>>>>>> @MmuendoW:|http://about.me/muendo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Too Brief? Here's Why
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 6:15 PM +0300, "Collins Areba via kictanet" <
>>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Personally I seek examples of the damage done by the said quacks that
>>>>>>> professional institutions haven't done. The distinct point of departure
>>>>>>> which will show the distinct difference so as to justify regulation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2016 17:32, "waudo siganga via kictanet" <
>>>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kivuva, you forgot Zuckerberg.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> College drop outs who rule the world.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michael Saul Dell, William Henry “Bill” Gates iii, Paul Gardner
>>>>>>>> Allen, Lawrence Joseph Ellison, Stephen “Woz” Wozniak, Steven Paul Jobs,
>>>>>>>> Robert Edward “Ted” Turner iii
>>>>>>>> http://lord.me.ke/college-dropouts-who-rule-the-world/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wonder who among those would be considered an ICT pro in Kenya.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ______________________
>>>>>>>> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
>>>>>>>> twitter.com/lordmwesh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1 December 2016 at 12:03, Ali Hussein via kictanet <
>>>>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The real important question has not been answered. Not since the
>>>>>>>> term ICT started being used.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WHO IS AN ICT PRACTITIONER?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And who is this WATCHDOG who will abrogate himself/herself the role
>>>>>>>> of GateKeeper and RentSeeker?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ali Hussein
>>>>>>>> Principal
>>>>>>>> Hussein & Associates
>>>>>>>> +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and
>>>>>>>> thinking what no one else has thought".  ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2016, at 10:51 AM, Athar Ahmad Bhatti via kictanet <
>>>>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brian they will implant a chip in your brain and track your IQ to
>>>>>>>> see whether you are fit for IT. Whereas the millennial generation will lose
>>>>>>>> most as they are hands on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Athar Ahmad Bhatti
>>>>>>>> +254726488311 <+254%20726%20488311>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:43 AM +0300, "Brian Muhia via kictanet" <
>>>>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is only to be applied to people trying to do contract jobs for
>>>>>>>> the government, right?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:27 AM WANGARI KABIRU via kictanet <
>>>>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Blessed Thursday!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Might the sector be getting its shape?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Private schooling started as an innovative approach to education -
>>>>>>>> now we even have more innovative home schooling and best practice
>>>>>>>> approaches. Healthcare etc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who has helped to weed out quacks proactively in most instances -
>>>>>>>> it is the industry associations working with the governments. An angle to
>>>>>>>> borrow from.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "....He said the authority will in the next couple of weeks launch
>>>>>>>> ICT standards where every professional in the field seeking to serve public
>>>>>>>> service must comply.
>>>>>>>> “One of the things which we are doing very soon in the next couple
>>>>>>>> of weeks, is that we shall be launching ICT standard, these are ICT
>>>>>>>> national standards and we plan on having them effective from first of
>>>>>>>> January and based on that vendors will have to comply with the standards,”
>>>>>>>> said the CEO, adding that those who will not comply to the standards will
>>>>>>>> be blacklisted..."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How might the players engage in the discourse to give it shape
>>>>>>>> while keep its jelly-nature?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Be blessed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards/Wangari
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are
>>>>>>>> Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of
>>>>>>>> God on Earth".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 1 December 2016, 8:43, Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via
>>>>>>>> kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well in this case this dog could come biting back at the same
>>>>>>>> people who unleashed it. That is if we take into consideration how our
>>>>>>>> institutions are run.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <
>>>>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Listers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All Information Communication and Technology (ICT) professionals
>>>>>>>> will now be vetted to weed out quacks and sanitise the industry, ICT
>>>>>>>> Authority chief executive officer Robert Mugo said yesterday.
>>>>>>>> He said the authority is alarmed by the rising of cases of
>>>>>>>> individuals and groups masquerading as ICT experts seeking to tender for
>>>>>>>> services in the counties.
>>>>>>>> Read on:-
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ali Hussein
>>>>>>>> Principal
>>>>>>>> Hussein & Associates
>>>>>>>> +254 0713 601113
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>>>>>>> Skype: abu-jomo
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and
>>>>>>>> thinking what no one else has thought".  ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
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>>>>>>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
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