[kictanet] ICT Bill is not going away

Mon Aug 1 17:46:32 EAT 2016

I like Tony's point

On Monday, 1 August 2016, Tony White via kictanet <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> John,
> 'ICT' cannot be simply defined - it is the glue which now binds all
> aspects of business and personal life.  We are ALL 'ICT Practitioners'
> - which is why the current attempt to legislate must fail.  It is as
> nonsensical as introducing an 'Oxygen Breathers' bill, requiring all
> breathers of oxygen to be licenced annually with the 'Oxygen Breathers
> Board'
>
> Cheers,
> Tony
>
> On 01/08/2016, ngethe.kariuki2007 via kictanet
> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > Listers,
> > I have in the past on this list intimated that I have yet to find a legal
> > definition of ICT.I have reason to believe that there is none unless
> advised
> > otherwise by someone knowledgeable on the subject. If my understanding is
> > correct, how then can anyone purport to legislate on a subject which has
> no
> > legal definition?
> >
> > John Kariuki
> >
> >
> > Sent from Samsung Mobile
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> <javascript:;>>
> > Date:
> > To: ngethe.kariuki2007 at yahoo.co.uk <javascript:;>
> > Cc: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Bill is not going away
> >
> > Hi Elizabeth,
> >
> > Its a shame indeed, we have a habit of leaders reaping where they did
> > not sow, i am glad with the new constitutional dispensation there is
> > no room for such leaders who happen to be erstwhile tenderpreneurs who
> > reap at the expense of hardworking innovators, the ICT community
> > should step up its game and say no to such leadership, time to take
> > full control of the sector including the leaders we send to Parliament
> > .
> > Its a pity that the legislators claim they are not in a position to
> > help stakeholders as reported, i think we should send the correct
> > message they normally understand and send them out of bunge using
> > twitter, 2017 is a few months away.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > On 8/1/16, Elizabeth Rossiello via kictanet
> > <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>  I had a very frightening conversation on Thursday, where a
> >> self-proclaimed
> >> "Tech Person" and leader of a business networking association declared
> the
> >> following:
> >>
> >> - "The techies of Kenya were getting out of control and taking over the
> >> direction of the country without supervision"
> >> - "Private businesses should choose their employees with the help of the
> >> government (via this bill's licensing and certification)"
> >> - "Kenya is happy to be the only country in the world [besides Ethiopia]
> >> with such stringent measures because it is a leader"
> >> -"Doctors need to be licensed and so do Techies"
> >>
> >> ... when I responded that I would have to fire 8 young Kenyan female
> >> employees who are well-paid and highly competent because they don't have
> >> the appropriate license, they said "the government should be involved in
> >> who you can hire."
> >>
> >> I was shocked at the misinformation and views.  This is akin to the way
> >> Trump supporters spew misinformation they receive from Fox News.  Most
> of
> >> it seems to stem from a lack of knowledge on what defines a "techie" and
> >> what they are and are not capable of.  It seems as some people think
> there
> >> is an army of robots about to take over this country from the innocents.
> >>
> >> Who has been driving this narrative?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 10:08 AM, Watila Alex via kictanet <
> >> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> they are not being honest.
> >>>
> >>> based on the views they have received they can recommend its
> withdrawal.
> >>>
> >>> regards,
> >>>
> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >>> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, 1 Aug, 2016 at 9:50, Tony White via kictanet
> >>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.nation.co.ke/business/Our-hands-tied-in-ICT-Bill/996-3324824-5haiq1/index.html
> >>>
> >>> We need a proper public consultation on this, in the same way as the
> >>> current Cybercrimes bill, and the recent ICT policy.
> >>>
> >>> Just another thought that has not so far been raised: Engineers are
> >>> also 'ICT Practitioners', so are some lawyers, so are some doctors, so
> >>> are many other professions, which each already have their own
> >>> registration.  So they now must ALSO be registered as ICT
> >>> practitioners?
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Tony White
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> >>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Elizabeth Rossiello
> >> CEO and Co-Founder
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> > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform
> for
> > people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and
> > regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
> > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and
> development.
> >
> > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
> > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and
> bandwidth,
> > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do
> > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform
> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and
> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
>
> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth,
> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do
> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
>

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