[kictanet] ICT Bill is not going away

Mon Aug 1 13:29:41 EAT 2016

Yes it is possible. HR practioners went to court and won

It would however be better to stop it being enacted in the first place.

Regards,

Alex

From: arebacollins [mailto:arebacollins at gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 1:26 PM
To: awatila at yahoo.co.uk; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Bill is not going away

Is it possible to seek judicial intervention should it sneak its way into being signed? Considering the threshold of public participation it had

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From: Alex Watila via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> > 
Date: 01/08/2016 1:03 pm (GMT+03:00) 
To: arebacollins at gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins at gmail.com>  
Cc: Alex Watila <awatila at yahoo.co.uk <mailto:awatila at yahoo.co.uk> > 
Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Bill is not going away 

Bomu et al,

The stakeholders need to push for its complete withdrawal instead of amendment since it does not have the support of majority of the stakeholders.

The committee is allowed to recommend the withdrawal of the bill on the basis of the submissions received.

Regards,

Alex

From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via kictanet
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 12:48 PM
To: awatila at yahoo.co.uk <mailto:awatila at yahoo.co.uk> 
Cc: Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu at gmail.com <mailto:nmutungu at gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Bill is not going away

KICTANet together with others (KEPSA, TESPOK, BAKE, KITOS, iHub) presented a memorandum to the Energy and ICT Committee opposing the Bill on 26th July. We were advised about the process of withdrawal of a Bill, which is that only the sponsor can withdraw it, with the leave of the Speaker. 

We nevertheless presented our memorandum and our position was similar to the Ministry's position- that the Bill is not grounded on sound policy and should be withdrawn.

Committee insisted that they had 21 days in which to report back the Bill. They asked for proposals to amend what we thought were problematic clauses and there was another hearing before the committee on 28th July. Committee is still discussing stakeholder views before reporting back the Bill. 

Regards, 

2016-08-01 12:11 GMT+03:00 John Gitau via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> >:

For this particular ICT bill. No known engagement has happened.

Jgitau

On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> > wrote:

Apologies in advance for my ignorance-What kind of formal or informal engagement has happened related to the ICT bill?

From: kictanet <kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke> on behalf of Watila Alex via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> >
Reply-To: "awatila at yahoo.co.uk <mailto:awatila at yahoo.co.uk> " <awatila at yahoo.co.uk <mailto:awatila at yahoo.co.uk> >, KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> >
Date: Monday, August 1, 2016 at 8:08 AM
To: Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi at fb.com <mailto:ebeleokobi at fb.com> >
Cc: Watila Alex <awatila at yahoo.co.uk <mailto:awatila at yahoo.co.uk> >
Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Bill is not going away

they are not being honest. 

based on the views they have received they can recommend its withdrawal.

regards,

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On Mon, 1 Aug, 2016 at 9:50, Tony White via kictanet

<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> > wrote:

http://www.nation.co.ke/business/Our-hands-tied-in-ICT-Bill/996-3324824-5haiq1/index.html <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.nation.co.ke_business_Our-2Dhands-2Dtied-2Din-2DICT-2DBill_996-2D3324824-2D5haiq1_index.html&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=BZxtaq8uB3fDkITH9MWyMaigfl_Ub9Yxp9hzPdF1JUY&s=zOWuhu_gDOEWte3yGoN03JKtk9YhvqV_48EsZnao4vA&e=> 

We need a proper public consultation on this, in the same way as the
current Cybercrimes bill, and the recent ICT policy.

Just another thought that has not so far been raised: Engineers are
also 'ICT Practitioners', so are some lawyers, so are some doctors, so
are many other professions, which each already have their own
registration.  So they now must ALSO be registered as ICT
practitioners?

-- 
Tony White

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