[kictanet] CBK lacks tech savvy team to survey local lenders

Thu Apr 28 18:12:24 EAT 2016

Machuhi 

Couldn't agree more with you. I particular love the sentence:-

> The day central bank will demand ESB as a standard, is te day 1) banks will cut the shackles of core system vendors, 2) banking 'IT audit' will become easier and possible, and 3) changing/ upgrading core systems will no longer be as dramatic as today. 

Thank you for that education and I can compare this statement to a discussion I had just a few days ago with a Tier 2 Bank CEO who was lamenting about the shackles of core banking systems they have been trying to unshackle for the last few years.  This particular bank seems to be winning this war. 

The lesson here is prevention is better than cure. 

Anyone at CBK listening?

Regards

Ali Hussein
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> On 28 Apr 2016, at 4:40 PM, K Machuhi via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ngigi,
> 
> Yes, Enterprise Service Bus.
> All major banks will tell you that they have ESB, but they are either shells or highly un-optimized installations.
> 
> The difficult part in ESB is building connectors/ adapters to and from core system....and maintaining those adapters such that all applications are fully dependent on middleware and not point to point with core.   
> 
> The most ubiquitous ESBs... websphere, Oracle, Red Hat's JBoss Fuse and such others lifted off Gartner's magic quadrant come at a stiff implementation, support and maintenance cost. Other more robust and affordable such as I-CON from Prosol and Talend - lack name recognition and smooth talking salesmen; but are more promising 
> 
> (JBoss is not too expensive, but often confused with Wildfly - the open source API). Let me paste a very partial picture of ESB adoption in .ke
> 
> A nice, best-of-breed bank acquired one of big name ESBs 4 years ago... it has never worked. To just get something configured you need a consultant from Mars at $500 per calendar hour, per diem to boot.....and hey - he flies business and must see family every 6 days.
> 
> Another was cross-sold to an emerging ESB with little field proof....it worked....for a few years... could not scale...now they are changing....
> 
> The third example is too blatantly reckless to be written...
> 
> The day central bank will demand ESB as a standard, is te day 1) banks will cut the shackles of core system vendors, 2) banking 'IT audit' will become easier and possible, and 3) changing/ upgrading core systems will no longer be as dramatic as today. 
> 
> You can read more here about possible direction banking platforms are headed.
> 
> KM
> 
>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi at at.co.ke> wrote:
>> Machuhi,
>> 
>> ESBs would be Enterprise Service Bus? If so, whats the current status of their adoption amongst Banks in .KE?
>> 
>> Rgds
>> 
>>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 3:20 PM, K Machuhi via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>> Disclosure: bank's so called 'IT audit' is part of what puts food on table in my house.
>>> 
>>> The correct approach is Enterprise IT audit; looking at (core) system, data, processes. Then people and bank's strategy. Subject matter expertise (SMEs) on core system is must have for most Kenyans bank's, but as ESB's get adoption, that necessity will diminish.
>>> 
>>> The worst mistake bank's make is to get 'IT audit' from conventional auditors. Technology side is cryptic, and unless you have someone who can ask the right questions, auditors will be made to find out what the bank IT team wants them to find out.
>>> 
>>> Central banks IT audit should simply be outsourced to SMEs. Experts will not apply for employment with cbk. 
>>> Also, you will not yet find the SMEs registered with a sector association. At the moment, highly qualified persons capable of doing a proper IT audit are so few, the world needs them more than they need the world.
>>> 
>>> Unless central banks act fast (moreso in kenya), there will be faceless banks operating outside the regulator. Purely driven by peer to peer and non conventional delivery channels.
>>> 
>>> Km
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 27, 2016 5:41 PM, "waudo siganga via kictanet" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>> Hi Kivuva,
>>>>  
>>>> My understanding, although of course open to correction, is that IT Systems Auditors are essentially certified auditors with specialist training and skills to audit "through" and "around" IT systems. I would envisage someone with an auditing qualification backed up with a supplementary qualification is systems auditing but at the end of the day this person is an AUDITOR. In addition the training for today's certified auditors already includes systems audit as a subject. So the key skill is auditing, supplemented by systems knowledge. If this is the case then these professionals are already covered under statutory provisions.
>>>>  
>>>> Waudo 
>>>>  
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2016, at 04:25 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet wrote:
>>>>>  
>>>>> On 27 April 2016 at 16:12, Paul Roy <roykoikai at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Last - As long as I am a the helm of ISACA Kenya, I would like to open up our doors to the various experts within the industry who are willing to retrain IT auditors, IT Security professionals to consider ISACA as an ally. Let us work together, talk to me, come for one of the evening talks and let us grow and strengthen the profession. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>>  
>>>>> Thanks for the elaborate reply. 
>>>>>  
>>>>> My main concern is if it's legislated that people with valid IT Systems Audit certifications are the only ones doing IT audits for public interest organisations. The way only Lawyers can only do certain duties, or CPAs. Is this something feasible?
>>>>>  
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>  
>>>>> ______________________
>>>>> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
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>> 
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