[kictanet] Music Copyright Owners sue ISPs for allowing Kenyans to download content illegally

Fri Jan 30 13:04:18 EAT 2015

That is a good analogy  David. I think our musicians need to figure
out how best to survive in the present ecosystem,at times legalese is
not always the best route.

Best Regards

On 1/30/15, David Makali via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> Wrong analogy, James. You do not ask NTSA but you apprehend the vehicle
> owner/driver/The transporter. Try and ferry your Bhang with DHL or even Easy
> Coach if you know what I mean. You have to declare your goods! Same to those
> who want to use the ISP. Vicarious liability...
> David
>
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>> On Jan 29, 2015, at 3:09 PM, James Mbugua via kictanet
>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>> Bernard,
>>
>> I asked you, Can you sue NTSA for allowing Bhang to be transported on our
>> roads?
>>
>> ???
>>
>> Exactly, how the hell are they supposed to know who is transporting
>> bhang?
>>
>> In your case, exactly how the hell are ISPs supposed to know you are
>> downloading music illegally?
>>
>> You guys are just looking for traction here....the people you should talk
>> to are Kenic if they registered them and the owners of the servers where
>> these sites are hosted. ISPs have nothing to do with this.
>>
>> James
>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Bernard Kioko via kictanet
>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>> At one point many ppl didn't believe mpesa would be possible.. It took
>>> intervention from the late minister michuki....
>>>
>>> We r country used to being first in many things
>>>
>>>> On Jan 29, 2015 2:59 PM, "Mark Kipyegon via kictanet"
>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>> From a technical standpoint how feasible is it to simply blacklist
>>>> sites?
>>>>
>>>> Clone sites and proxies exist to circumvent these blocks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 29/01/2015 14:48, Bernard Kioko via kictanet wrote:
>>>> > James i posted a link where high court in UK ruled those same sites
>>>> > be
>>>> > blocked by ISPs and that's happening.
>>>> >
>>>> > What's ur comment on that?
>>>> > On Jan 29, 2015 2:43 PM, "James Mbugua via kictanet" <
>>>> > kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Listers,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Hmm...I don't know why I get the feeling this is a case of throwing
>>>> >> mud at
>>>> >> the wall to see if it will stick.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ISPs have never been held liable for downloading illegal content
>>>> >> anywhere
>>>> >> in the world. From the get go let us dispense with that. Neither will
>>>> >> they
>>>> >> be found so in this case.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I remember vividly when Napster came out and also when Kazaa
>>>> >> followed....groups went after the sites not the ISPs. To this day, it
>>>> >> is
>>>> >> piracy sites that even the FBI goes for not the likes of Comcast or
>>>> >> AT$T.
>>>> >> Data privacy does not allow you to start checking what your customer
>>>> >> is
>>>> >> downloading or uploading....this is not China and getting into that
>>>> >> territory is very dangerous for people's rights.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Let these guys do the hard work and go for the piracy sites or sue
>>>> >> NTSA
>>>> >> for allowing bhang to be transported on our roads.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> lol
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Regards,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> James
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Davis Onsakia via kictanet <
>>>> >> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Will be an interesting case to keep the eye on.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> What is not in doubt is that the final ruling will set a very
>>>> >>> serious
>>>> >>> precedent on how to deal with copyright issues when it comes to the
>>>> >>> Online
>>>> >>> World.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Best Regards,
>>>> >>> Davis M Onsakia
>>>> >>> "One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of
>>>> >>> the
>>>> >>> shore for a very long time."
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On 29 January 2015 at 13:46, Bernard Kioko via kictanet <
>>>> >>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> Reading from the article it says there is a list.
>>>> >>>> On Jan 29, 2015 1:23 PM, "Dennis Kioko" <dmbuvi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> Does Kenya have necessary laws, and do the copyright holders have
>>>> >>>>> a
>>>> >>>>> list of infringing sites?
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 13:04 Bernard Kioko <bkioko at bernsoft.com>
>>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2014/11/uk-high-court-forces-big-isps-block-56-new-internet-piracy-websites.html
>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 29, 2015 12:51 PM, "Dennis Kioko via kictanet" <
>>>> >>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Interesting case, though I wonder how ISPs allow people to
>>>> >>>>>>> allow
>>>> >>>>>>> content illegally. Any one with some insight?
>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Music-copyright-owners-illegal-downloads/-/539550/2605386/-/na4mbsz/-/index.html
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>
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