[kictanet] Music Copyright Owners sue ISPs for allowing Kenyans to download content illegally

Fri Jan 30 09:38:10 EAT 2015

Wrong analogy, James. You do not ask NTSA but you apprehend the vehicle owner/driver/The transporter. Try and ferry your Bhang with DHL or even Easy Coach if you know what I mean. You have to declare your goods! Same to those who want to use the ISP. Vicarious liability...
David

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> On Jan 29, 2015, at 3:09 PM, James Mbugua via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> 
> Bernard,
> 
> I asked you, Can you sue NTSA for allowing Bhang to be transported on our roads?
> 
> ???
> 
> Exactly, how the hell are they supposed to know who is transporting bhang?
> 
> In your case, exactly how the hell are ISPs supposed to know you are downloading music illegally?
> 
> You guys are just looking for traction here....the people you should talk to are Kenic if they registered them and the owners of the servers where these sites are hosted. ISPs have nothing to do with this.
> 
> James
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Bernard Kioko via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>> At one point many ppl didn't believe mpesa would be possible.. It took intervention from the late minister michuki....
>> 
>> We r country used to being first in many things
>> 
>>> On Jan 29, 2015 2:59 PM, "Mark Kipyegon via kictanet" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>> From a technical standpoint how feasible is it to simply blacklist sites?
>>> 
>>> Clone sites and proxies exist to circumvent these blocks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 29/01/2015 14:48, Bernard Kioko via kictanet wrote:
>>> > James i posted a link where high court in UK ruled those same sites be
>>> > blocked by ISPs and that's happening.
>>> >
>>> > What's ur comment on that?
>>> > On Jan 29, 2015 2:43 PM, "James Mbugua via kictanet" <
>>> > kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Listers,
>>> >>
>>> >> Hmm...I don't know why I get the feeling this is a case of throwing mud at
>>> >> the wall to see if it will stick.
>>> >>
>>> >> ISPs have never been held liable for downloading illegal content anywhere
>>> >> in the world. From the get go let us dispense with that. Neither will they
>>> >> be found so in this case.
>>> >>
>>> >> I remember vividly when Napster came out and also when Kazaa
>>> >> followed....groups went after the sites not the ISPs. To this day, it is
>>> >> piracy sites that even the FBI goes for not the likes of Comcast or AT$T.
>>> >> Data privacy does not allow you to start checking what your customer is
>>> >> downloading or uploading....this is not China and getting into that
>>> >> territory is very dangerous for people's rights.
>>> >>
>>> >> Let these guys do the hard work and go for the piracy sites or sue NTSA
>>> >> for allowing bhang to be transported on our roads.
>>> >>
>>> >> lol
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards,
>>> >>
>>> >> James
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Davis Onsakia via kictanet <
>>> >> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Will be an interesting case to keep the eye on.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> What is not in doubt is that the final ruling will set a very serious
>>> >>> precedent on how to deal with copyright issues when it comes to the Online
>>> >>> World.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Best Regards,
>>> >>> Davis M Onsakia
>>> >>> "One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the
>>> >>> shore for a very long time."
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 29 January 2015 at 13:46, Bernard Kioko via kictanet <
>>> >>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Reading from the article it says there is a list.
>>> >>>> On Jan 29, 2015 1:23 PM, "Dennis Kioko" <dmbuvi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Does Kenya have necessary laws, and do the copyright holders have a
>>> >>>>> list of infringing sites?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 13:04 Bernard Kioko <bkioko at bernsoft.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2014/11/uk-high-court-forces-big-isps-block-56-new-internet-piracy-websites.html
>>> >>>>>> On Jan 29, 2015 12:51 PM, "Dennis Kioko via kictanet" <
>>> >>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Interesting case, though I wonder how ISPs allow people to allow
>>> >>>>>>> content illegally. Any one with some insight?
>>> >>>>>>> http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Music-copyright-owners-illegal-downloads/-/539550/2605386/-/na4mbsz/-/index.html
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
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