[kictanet] Music Copyright Owners sue ISPs for allowing Kenyans to download content illegally

Thu Jan 29 18:24:04 EAT 2015

As a creator of original works is good that you are taking steps to
protecting it and the allied benefeciaries of the same. I agree with
@cdohnio on a need to rethink the business model because it is more of a
hurdle than an incentive. I once tried to look for Hardstone's Uhiki and I
could only find it on some Russian server. Nothing stored locally. I will
admit this was before M-Pesa and a regular income so paying for it was
hardly an option.

But do people pirate because they don't want to pay or is it because they
find it a bother to use the sanctioned means? Say I want to buy a track
from Elani. What are the DRM and payment issues that I  will need to have
it on my phone, laptop and car stereo?

On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Bernard Kioko via kictanet <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> Mwendwa,
>
>
>
> In one case the host servers are in Turkey…..any insight on that?
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> *From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+bkioko=
> bernsoft.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Mwendwa Kivuva via
> kictanet
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 29, 2015 3:30 PM
> *To:* bkioko at bernsoft.com
> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Music Copyright Owners sue ISPs for allowing
> Kenyans to download content illegally
>
>
>
> We have no "precedence" in Kenya on any intermediary liability case. It's
> a good move for the copyright owners to have this case brought forward and
> see what direction as a country we should take. This might spur players in
> the industry to bring legislation to parliament on the same.
>
>
>
> What has worked very effectively elsewhere was The Digital Millennium
> Copyright Act (DMCA), a United States copyright law that implements two
> 1996 treaties of the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO). This
> essentially entails copyright owners policing online content and issuing
> takedown notices.
>
>
>
> When you Google content that has takedown notices, you get this response:
>
>
>
> *In response to a complaint we received under the US Digital Millennium
> Copyright Act
> <https://www.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=1386831>, we have
> removed 1 result(s) from this page. If you wish, you may read the DMCA
> complaint <http://www.chillingeffects.org/notice.cgi?sID=10204135> that
> caused the removal(s) atChillingEffects.org.*
>
> *In response to a complaint we received under the US Digital Millennium
> Copyright Act
> <https://www.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=1386831>, we have
> removed 1 result(s) from this page. If you wish, you may read the DMCA
> complaint <http://www.chillingeffects.org/notice.cgi?sID=10246859> that
> caused the removal(s) atChillingEffects.org.*
>
> *In response to a complaint we received under the US Digital Millennium
> Copyright Act
> <https://www.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=1386831>, we have
> removed 1 result(s) from this page. If you wish, you may read the DMCA
> complaint <http://www.chillingeffects.org/notice.cgi?sID=10261005> that
> caused the removal(s) atChillingEffects.org.*
>
>
> ______________________
> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
>
> "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on
> higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson
>
>
>
>
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> On 29 January 2015 at 14:57, Mark Kipyegon via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
> From a technical standpoint how feasible is it to simply blacklist sites?
>
> Clone sites and proxies exist to circumvent these blocks.
>
>
> On 29/01/2015 14:48, Bernard Kioko via kictanet wrote:
> > James i posted a link where high court in UK ruled those same sites be
> > blocked by ISPs and that's happening.
> >
> > What's ur comment on that?
> > On Jan 29, 2015 2:43 PM, "James Mbugua via kictanet" <
> > kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> >
> >> Listers,
> >>
> >> Hmm...I don't know why I get the feeling this is a case of throwing mud
> at
> >> the wall to see if it will stick.
> >>
> >> ISPs have never been held liable for downloading illegal content
> anywhere
> >> in the world. From the get go let us dispense with that. Neither will
> they
> >> be found so in this case.
> >>
> >> I remember vividly when Napster came out and also when Kazaa
> >> followed....groups went after the sites not the ISPs. To this day, it is
> >> piracy sites that even the FBI goes for not the likes of Comcast or
> AT$T.
> >> Data privacy does not allow you to start checking what your customer is
> >> downloading or uploading....this is not China and getting into that
> >> territory is very dangerous for people's rights.
> >>
> >> Let these guys do the hard work and go for the piracy sites or sue NTSA
> >> for allowing bhang to be transported on our roads.
> >>
> >> lol
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> James
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
> >> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Davis Onsakia via kictanet <
> >> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Will be an interesting case to keep the eye on.
> >>>
> >>> What is not in doubt is that the final ruling will set a very serious
> >>> precedent on how to deal with copyright issues when it comes to the
> Online
> >>> World.
> >>>
> >>> Best Regards,
> >>> Davis M Onsakia
> >>> "One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the
> >>> shore for a very long time."
> >>>
> >>> On 29 January 2015 at 13:46, Bernard Kioko via kictanet <
> >>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Reading from the article it says there is a list.
> >>>> On Jan 29, 2015 1:23 PM, "Dennis Kioko" <dmbuvi at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Does Kenya have necessary laws, and do the copyright holders have a
> >>>>> list of infringing sites?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 13:04 Bernard Kioko <bkioko at bernsoft.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2014/11/uk-high-court-forces-big-isps-block-56-new-internet-piracy-websites.html
> >>>>>> On Jan 29, 2015 12:51 PM, "Dennis Kioko via kictanet" <
> >>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Interesting case, though I wonder how ISPs allow people to allow
> >>>>>>> content illegally. Any one with some insight?
> >>>>>>>
> http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Music-copyright-owners-illegal-downloads/-/539550/2605386/-/na4mbsz/-/index.html
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
>
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