[kictanet] Brazilians Locked out of WhatsApp

Thu Dec 17 16:33:17 EAT 2015

With all respect, have you ever seen how the Silicon Valley companies
treat other countries with contempt especially when it comes to data
requests? But when Uncle Sam asks for the information, they are given.

Therefore this debate should be more about finding a balance between
privacy and the rule of law. This also falls under the broader cross
border communication debate that has been raging especially in EU
region and Russia. It's a tough nut I admit.

On 17/12/2015, Barrack Otieno via kictanet
<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> Great discussion,
>
> Would be interesting to get the Communications Authority position on the
> same in light of recent statements issued by CBK on bit coins :-)
>
> Regards
> On Dec 17, 2015 3:04 PM, "Ebele Okobi via kictanet" <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> Of course-got it!
>> I was focusing on the privacy issue, not the operator revenue issue. I do
>> think it's interesting to think of the fact that operators themselves
>> were
>> disrupters. . .
>>
>> Ebele Okobi | Head of Public Policy, Africa
>>
>> m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315 <+44%20(0)%20771%20156%201315>
>>
>> 10 Brock Street | London | NW1 3FG
>>
>> ebeleokobi at fb.com
>>
>> [image: 6F376569-CC77-422B-BAD3-794055B1E02B]
>>
>> On Dec 17, 2015, at 11:48 AM, Mose Karanja <mosekaranja at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Uber disrupted the taxi ecosystem so immensely that some taxi unions
>> started attacks on Uber the company and Uber the product arguing they are
>> taxed and licensed yet their new competitors are not taxed. They hope(d)
>> the regulators would side with their argument. Some did some didn't.
>>
>> The Uber-moment is thus (in my world) that point in the life of a
>> disruptive product when the existing dominant player seeks favor from the
>> regulators to block that which 'they can't understand'.
>>
>> Cue in Bob Dylan's Times are A Changing :)
>> On 17 Dec 2015 13:31, "Paul Roy" <roykoikai at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ebele,
>>>
>>> This is going to open a whole set of regulatory concerns around privacy
>>> vs. security.
>>>
>>> Following this keenly!
>>>
>>> Paul Roy.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Uber moment? Tell me more!
>>>>
>>>> WhatsApp is protecting the privacy rights of its users-here's a FB post
>>>> from WhatsApp's founder, Jan Koum (btw, when you get a chance, look up
>>>> his
>>>> personal history. It gives a sense of why he is so passionate about the
>>>> right to privacy.)
>>>>
>>>> "We are disappointed in the short-sighted decision to cut off access to
>>>> WhatsApp, a communication tool that so many Brazilians have come to
>>>> depend
>>>> on, and sad to see Brazil isolate itself from the rest of the world."
>>>>
>>>> Ebele Okobi | Head of Public Policy, Africa
>>>>
>>>> m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315 <+44%20(0)%20771%20156%201315>
>>>>
>>>> 10 Brock Street | London | NW1 3FG
>>>>
>>>> ebeleokobi at fb.com
>>>>
>>>> [image: 6F376569-CC77-422B-BAD3-794055B1E02B]
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 17, 2015, at 9:42 AM, Mose Karanja via kictanet <
>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A Brazilian judge has ordered a 48 hour WhatsApp lockdown.
>>>> The order claims WhatsApp refused to cooperate with Law Enforcement
>>>> agencies on data handover.
>>>> The harshness of the verdict is thus seen as a retaliation to show
>>>> whois
>>>> boss.
>>>> However, there is the Telco Lobby pushing for regulation (that word
>>>> again) of VOIP (WhatsApp calls) under the claim that Brazilians are no
>>>> longer using voice calls and yet they are taxed for the spectrum which
>>>> WhatsApp is not being taxed for since it is not classified as a Telco.
>>>>
>>>> You can read more here (in Portuguese):
>>>>
>>>> http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/mercado/2015/12/1719934-justica-determina-bloqueio-do-whatsapp-em-todo-brasil-por-48-horas.shtml
>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www1.folha.uol.com.br_mercado_2015_12_1719934-2Djustica-2Ddetermina-2Dbloqueio-2Ddo-2Dwhatsapp-2Dem-2Dtodo-2Dbrasil-2Dpor-2D48-2Dhoras.shtml&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=MvsuZVjTPjBi_OMkstBjZebmwW2P9xrTdd1VIdrRapo&s=OnNDfBrAmo3aYDs7JvN9XOyiRKbBtv7bCuSHwJOFACk&e=>
>>>>
>>>> or here in English
>>>>
>>>> http://techcrunch.com/2015/12/16/brazils-congress-has-shut-down-whatsapp-tonight-and-the-rest-of-the-social-web-could-be-next/?ncid=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29&utm_content=FaceBook&sr_share=facebook
>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__techcrunch.com_2015_12_16_brazils-2Dcongress-2Dhas-2Dshut-2Ddown-2Dwhatsapp-2Dtonight-2Dand-2Dthe-2Drest-2Dof-2Dthe-2Dsocial-2Dweb-2Dcould-2Dbe-2Dnext_-3Fncid-3Drss-26utm-5Fsource-3Dfeedburner-26utm-5Fmedium-3Dfeed-26utm-5Fcampaign-3DFeed-3A-2BTechcrunch-2B-28TechCrunch-29-26utm-5Fcontent-3DFaceBook-26sr-5Fshare-3Dfacebook&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=MvsuZVjTPjBi_OMkstBjZebmwW2P9xrTdd1VIdrRapo&s=zPUHNKuMHDnEiDYedr_bvXqCA2c6fw_35PpqcK_4riI&e=>
>>>>
>>>> An Uber-moment for WhatsApp.
>>>> ---
>>>> Moses Karanja | @Mose_Karanja
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