[kictanet] Does cashless matatu system have a regulatory framework?
Barrack Otieno
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Tue Nov 11 16:56:01 EAT 2014
@ Ali,
This is what i have been trying to highlight in my interventions.
Best Regards
On 11/11/14, Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> Listers
>
> This discussion about technology in the transport sector in the country
> misses a major point (which I think Walu sort of touched on). The point is
> this:-
>
> No major economy has ever evolved to prosperity without addressing the issue
> of an efficient public mass transport system in a wholistic way. And one
> common denominator is this:-
>
> It is NOT driven by the private sector but by governments and the private
> sector through Public-Private Partnerships.
>
> So my sense is that although it is a model technology project I'd say we are
> putting the cart before the horse..Let's sort out the policy issues on mass
> transport systems, implement them, sort out our infrastructure issues and
> then ONLY then would this make sense.
>
> Ali Hussein
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> "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will
> have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Nov 11, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Adam Nelson via kictanet
>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>> Walu,
>>
>> We're drifting here but I don't understand either why Nairobi government
>> doesn't stand up about this - even for their own selfish reasons. This is
>> such an obvious place for devolution to be used by Nairobi County to
>> assert themselves and take over the mass transportation system (for better
>> or for worse).
>>
>> It's not like Germany runs the Berlin transport system, or the US runs the
>> New York system, or the UK runs the London system. Each metro area runs
>> its own system (typically).
>>
>> -Adam
>>
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>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> True that Adam,
>>>
>>> Monopolies are not necessarily bad since they can ensure a consolidated
>>> market to justify investments. HOWEVER "Private monopolies" rather than
>>> "Public monopolies" is a different ball game altogether. From my limited
>>> travels into the developed North, most (the bulk) of their transport
>>> system is under the Public Metropolitan/County government - with room for
>>> private sector intervention and innovations.
>>>
>>> In Kenya we seem to have got it upside down. Private sector single
>>> handedly runs our public transport system - and you can see where this
>>> landed us. I miss the days when I was just 10years old and was allowed to
>>> use the Public transport aka Kenya Bus Service in 1980s to go alone to
>>> public primary school (now @MbuguaNjihia has confirmed am ancient :-)
>>>
>>> Indeed I am quite suprised by the loud silence from the Nairobi County
>>> government. Perhaps they are also lost in terms of how, where, when and
>>> if they could get involved in this cashless payment system. The big
>>> picture (regulatory/market structure) seems to be in limited
>>> circulation.
>>>
>>> walu.
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------
>>> On Tue, 11/11/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet
>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Does cashless matatu system have a regulatory
>>> framework?
>>> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>>> Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2014, 1:00 PM
>>>
>>> It's
>>> not unreasonable to have a single, mandated card for this
>>> purpose. New York's MetroCard is a great example (as
>>> is the Oyster Card). Virtually every city I've been to
>>> has one and only one card for mass transportation.
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetroCard_(New_York_City)
>>>
>>> As with
>>> most things, NYC Transit outsources most of the underlying
>>> infrastructure to a private company:
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubic_Transportation_Systems
>>>
>>> As long
>>> as the margins are well defined, there is little in-house
>>> fraud, and the system generally works, the lack of
>>> competition isn't such a big deal. The most important
>>> thing is that the numbers are published and audited
>>> regularly and that the underlying vendor can be replaced in
>>> the future (i.e. Nairobi County maintains intellectual
>>> property over key assets so there's no vendor lock-in
>>> beyond the contract period).
>>> -Adam
>>> --Kili - Cloud for
>>> Africa: kili.io
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>>> www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
>>>
>>> On
>>> Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet
>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> wrote:
>>> Thanks Walu. You certainly ask
>>> valid questions. What comes to mind is consumer protection,
>>> and ensuring data collected about consumers is not used in
>>> ways that the consumer does not ascent to. I'm assuming
>>> we will read the terms of service.
>>> I don't expect any player in the
>>> industry to be a monopoly, and certaily my1963 card wil
>>> operate alongside BebaPay and AbiriaCard. What I would also
>>> like to see is the ability to pay with our NFC enabled debit
>>> and credit cards. Consumers should have a
>>> choice.
>>> Cofek's
>>> appeal is mostly based on Article 10 of the constitution
>>> where government is expected to involve all stakeholders
>>> holders (yes multistakeholderism is here to stay) in
>>> decision making. If there was a stakeholders forum, many of
>>> these questions would have been asked there.
>>> Well, the cashles system has worked
>>> before in Kenya hitherto with mixed reactions from the
>>> commuters. I support it bearing in mind the many times
>>> I've forgotten my change. As agents of changes in
>>> society, we should support the initiative, and let it
>>> mature. We can learn from other cities, especially Transport
>>> for London which has a very successful Oyster Card.
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> On
>>> Tuesday, 11 November 2014, Barrack Otieno via kictanet
>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>> Hi Walu,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We are in interesting times, what happens to the squad
>>> fellows? They
>>>
>>> normally get a tenth of the fare for their touting. I wonder
>>> whether a
>>>
>>> feasibility study was done. The Matatu culture is too
>>> complicated ,
>>>
>>> this system would work with a more organized Nyayo Bus or
>>> KBS kind of
>>>
>>> system.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My 2 cents
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/11/14, Walubengo J via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > The President launched the cashless matatu payment
>>> system in style last
>>>
>>> > week.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Boarding a matatu from State House to the City Centre,
>>> the President used
>>>
>>> > the payment card “My1963” to pay his fare as the
>>> smiling Safaricom CEO, Bob
>>>
>>> > Collymore, the Matatu Owners association Chairman,
>>> Simon Kimutai and the
>>>
>>> > Cabinet Secretary for Transport and Infrastructure, Eng
>>> Michael Kamau all
>>>
>>> > watched.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Read more @
>>>
>>> >
>>> http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2518070/-/10vedrez/-/index.html
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > ---------------------------
>>>
>>> > Additionally, you can read a bare knuckle view from
>>> Cofek
>>>
>>> > ** 7 reasons why Cofek will fight to stop the #My1963
>>> PSV's cashless payment
>>>
>>> > fraud
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > The National Transport Safety Authority (NTSA) plan to
>>> go cashless on fare
>>>
>>> > payments effective December 1, 2014 though welcome
>>> cannot escape public
>>>
>>> > scrutiny.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Clearly, majority commuters are not ready thanks to the
>>> very poor and less
>>>
>>> > than transparent handling of the cashless fare payments
>>> for Public Service
>>>
>>> > Vehicles (PSV’s).
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > If digital migration switch-off of analogue TV signal
>>> could go to the
>>>
>>> > Supreme Court, then the architects behind the so-called
>>> #My1963 fraud must
>>>
>>> > not celebrate just yet. Why?
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > READ more @
>>>
>>> >
>>> http://www.cofek.co.ke/index.php/14-news/872-7-reasons-why-cofek-will-fight-to-stop-the-my1963-psv-s-cashless-payment-fraud
>>>
>>> > --------
>>>
>>> > walu.
>>>
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