[kictanet] CCK & ISPs to Block of Websites?

Fri May 9 13:21:09 EAT 2014

+1 on Michael's opinions

Best Regards,

*Ephraim Percy Kenyanito*

On 9 May 2014 13:20, Ephraim Percy Kenyanito <ekenyanito at gmail.com> wrote:

> +1 on Michael's opinion
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> Best Regards,
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> *Ephraim Percy Kenyanito*
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>>    1. Re: CCK & ISPs to Block of Websites? (Michael Murungi)
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>> Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 13:15:22 +0300
>> From: Michael Murungi <michaelmurungi at gmail.com>
>> To: Fiona Asonga <tespok at tespok.co.ke>,  KICTAnet ICT Policy
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>> Dear Fiona & All
>> Thanks for a great conversation.
>> 1. On this point: When liability of network content is placed on the
>> network operator as opposed to the network users what is there to protect
>> the users privacy if the the network operator proceeds to prey in the name
>> of protecting themselves from liability?  -  We need legislation
>> protecting
>> intermediaries from liability (intermediary liability legislation) -
>> government is willing to pass this - it has made this promise in the
>> National ICT Masterplan - perhaps Tespok can convene a working
>> group/roundtable on this so that the position comes out well in the Data
>> Protection Law?
>>
>> 2. On reporting about any requests from government, we can perhaps learn
>> from the Trasparency Reports published by a number of tech companies:
>> - - https://www.google.com/transparencyreport/
>>  - https://transparency.twitter.com/
>> -http://transparency.verizon.com/us-data<https://transparency.twitter.com/-http://transparency.verizon.com/us-data>
>> -
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/about/corporatecitizenship/en-us/reporting/transparency/
>>
>>
>> Kindest regards,
>> Michael M. Murungi
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9 May 2014 12:50, Fiona Asonga via kictanet <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>> > Hallo Ali
>> >
>> > Thanks for the interest in the subject matter, kindly find my responses
>> > inline:
>> >
>> >
>> > Fiona Asonga
>> > Chief Executive Officer
>> > Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/ Kenya
>> Internet
>> > Exchange Point
>> > Member Strategic Committee of the Africa Computer Emergency Response
>> Team
>> >
>> > NRO Number Council http://www.nro.net/about/number-council.html
>> >
>> > ASO Address Council http://aso.icann.org/ac/
>> >
>> >
>> > 14 th Floor, Bruce House
>> > Standard Street
>> >
>> > Tel: +254 20 2245 036
>> > Cell: +254 721 713 504
>> >
>> > Website: www.tespok.or.ke
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ?Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction
>> > within the Industry and Government?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Fiona Asonga
>> > Chief Executive Officer
>> > Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/ Kenya
>> Internet
>> > Exchange Point
>> > Member Strategic Committee of the Africa Computer Emergency Response
>> Team
>> >
>> > *NRO Number Council*   *http://www.nro.net/about/number-council.html*<
>> http://www.nro.net/about/number-council.html>
>> >
>> > *ASO Address Council*  *http://aso.icann.org/ac/*<
>> http://aso.icann.org/ac/>
>> >
>> >
>> > 14th Floor, Bruce House
>> > Standard Street
>> >
>> > Tel: +254 20 2245 036
>> > Cell: +254 721 713 504
>> >
>> > Website: www.tespok.or.ke
>> >
>> >
>> > <http://www.tespok.or.ke/>
>> > *?Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction *
>> > *within the Industry and Government?*
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> > *From: *"Ali Hussein" <ali at hussein.me.ke>
>> > *To: *tespok at tespok.co.ke
>> > *Cc: *"KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> > *Sent: *Friday, May 9, 2014 11:32:22 AM
>> >
>> > *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] CCK & ISPs to Block of Websites?
>> >
>> > Fiona
>> >
>> > Thanks for speaking out. Appreciated.
>> >
>> > May I make some comments/ask some questions?
>> >
>> > We must balance the needs for privacy and national security. Where this
>> > country is at the moment we should appreciate the government's
>> fundamental
>> > duty of safeguarding citizens' security and the country's
>> infrastructure.
>> > Having said that it is also incumbent on the industry to have some
>> > transparency as required by our constitution. For avoidance of doubt has
>> > the industry:-
>> >
>> > 1. Received requests to monitor individual email and search activity in
>> > Kenya?
>> > There has been no request to monitor any individual emails in Kenya.
>> > However, as an industry we have been concerned about certain amendments
>> to
>> > the KCA carried out in 2008 that were rather vague giving excessive
>> power
>> > to network operators to carry out the above. When liability of network
>> > content is placed on the network operator as opposed to the network
>> users
>> > what is there to protect the users privacy if the the network operator
>> > proceeds to prey in the name of protecting themselves from liability?
>> This
>> > is one important issue that we hope will be amended once we have the
>> Data
>> > Protection Act in place.
>> >
>> > 2. Is there any report that the industry puts together where we can
>> see:-
>> > a) Govt request of the above?
>> > We are still in the initial process of negotiating the operational
>> > framework of how government can work in partnership with private
>> sector. We
>> > are yet to receive a request from government. When the requests start
>> > coming in we shall document and have a both a public and detailed
>> reports
>> > of our operations.
>> >
>> > b) How many were obliged and how many refused?
>> > None have come through yet
>> >
>> > 3. Cyber security breaches and how they were dealt with?
>> > From our reports on the usalama site you will notice that the cyber
>> > security breaches numbers vary depending on the type of threat, source
>> and
>> > country out of which attack is stemming from. We have presented the
>> reports
>> > as per month and quarter with all the breached we observed.
>> > On dealing with the security breaches:
>> > TESPOK has a 24/7/365 monitoring system that send alerts based on the
>> > threat priority to the TESPOK technical team. Then we begin to engage
>> the
>> > ISP
>> > 1st point of contact is the respective ISP security staff whom we
>> contact
>> > with breach details and recommendations and give them time to remedy
>> > situation.
>> > 2nd point of contact is the Network/IT head to report the status from
>> our
>> > end
>> > 3rd point of contact is the CEO of the respective ISP if his team is
>> > unable to remedy situation, we request permission to assist resolve the
>> > breach at no extra cost to the ISPs. We also provide the CEO all the
>> > information they require about the breach in the event that the public
>> need
>> > to be informed. In the last one year we have had 2 major breaches that
>> saw
>> > us follow this process and introduce engagement with Kenya Bankers
>> > Association due to the financial institutions that were at risk.
>> > We are working on a program for the financial sector that will be
>> deployed
>> > as soon as Kenya Bankers Association have finalized implementation
>> issues
>> > at their end.
>> >
>> > Kenya is at the top of Internet freedom worldwide. We must temper this
>> > freedom with responsibility. Its a fine balance and requires both the
>> > private sector, non-governmental players and the government itself to
>> work
>> > in tandem to ensure this freedom is not abused.
>> > I couldn't have put it better, online security is a space we all need to
>> > participate in a stakeholders of the shared platform.
>> >
>> > On the part of Government, we must urge them that while they ensure and
>> > safeguard our borders both within and without they must do it within the
>> > purviews of humanity and decency - after all that is what
>> differentiates us
>> > from those who seek to destroy what we hold dear.
>> >
>> >
>> > *Ali Hussein*
>> >
>> > +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
>> >
>> > Twitter: @AliHKassim
>> >
>> > Skype: abu-jomo
>> >
>> > LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim<
>> http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
>> >
>> > Blog: www.alyhussein.com
>> >
>> > "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world
>> will
>> > have a generation of idiots".  ~ Albert Einstein
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPad
>> >
>> > On May 9, 2014, at 9:02 AM, "Fiona  Asonga" <tespok at tespok.co.ke>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hallo Listers,
>> >
>> > TESPOK the umbrella body for service providers that runs the KIXP has
>> > taken time to follow up on the posts in the preceding emails.
>> >
>> > TESPOK as the industry body for service providers has been running a
>> > Computer Security Incident Response Team since 2009. We have realtime
>> user
>> > access to for service providers to view auto-generated reports of their
>> > network status. CCK has been working with TESPOK since 2011 to ensure
>> > network integrity for the safety of Internet users. The working
>> > arrangements places TESPOK as the face of the ISPs in as far as CCK and
>> > cyber security is concerned. We are unable to confirm any requests to
>> block
>> > websites or blogs, however ISPs have been requested by both TESPOK and
>> CCK
>> > to have dedicated Network Security staff.
>> >
>> > It is my view that the request to engage may have been mis-understood or
>> > mis-communicated. KIXP is dependent on content and it would be counter
>> > productive for TESPOK to support blocking of websites thus reducing
>> content
>> > access at the KIXP.
>> >
>> > In the event that we note changes to our mode of engagement with CCK in
>> a
>> > manner to negatively impact on the end users' experience we shall not
>> > hesitate to speak up. For more details on our cyber security program
>> kindly
>> > visit www.cyberusalama.co.ke or www.usalama.co.ke
>> >
>> > kind regards
>> >
>> >
>> > Fiona Asonga
>> > Chief Executive Officer
>> > Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/ Kenya
>> Internet
>> > Exchange Point
>> > Member Strategic Committee of the Africa Computer Emergency Response
>> Team
>> >
>> > NRO Number Council http://www.nro.net/about/number-council.html
>> >
>> > ASO Address Council http://aso.icann.org/ac/
>> >
>> >
>> > 14 th Floor, Bruce House
>> > Standard Street
>> >
>> > Tel: +254 20 2245 036
>> > Cell: +254 721 713 504
>> >
>> > Website: www.tespok.or.ke
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ?Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction
>> > within the Industry and Government?
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > From: "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> > To: tespok at tespok.co.ke
>> > Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 2:16:25 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] CCK & ISPs to Block of Websites?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Wash & all
>> >
>> >
>> > Its not the blocking that worries me. It's the big brother syndrome that
>> > concerns me. That Govts worldwide have this syndrome is a foregone
>> > conclusion. The ones who are not in the news just haven't been caught
>> yet
>> > or are openly doing it - China, Russia, Middle East countries etc.
>> >
>> >
>> > Ali Hussein
>> >
>> >
>> > +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Twitter: @AliHKassim
>> >
>> > Skype: abu-jomo
>> >
>> > LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>> >
>> > Blog: www.alyhussein.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world
>> will
>> > have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPad
>> >
>> > On May 7, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet <
>> > kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I think it's not going to be easy to block web content unless the govt
>> > buys the equipment the ISPs need for this purpose - content filtering.
>> You
>> > can block a website, but it's another game altogether to block the
>> content.
>> > Content can be moved very easily to other hosts. Plus, it's gonna be
>> > futile, because that very content will be shared on Social Media the
>> moment
>> > the govt opens its mouth:) You know that once it's in social media, it's
>> > not just a website anymore we're talking about.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > So, IMHO, I believe the govt will NOT be doing this.
>> >
>> >
>> > Victor, is there a law that allows the govt or it's agents to block web
>> > content? What are the provisions within that law, and are those
>> provisions
>> > violated by those websites.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 5 May 2014 21:23, Victor Kapiyo via kictanet <
>> > kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear listers,
>> >
>> > I came across this tweet earlier today. I'm not sure of the legitimacy
>> of
>> > the claim, but could someone from CCK, any ISP or lister respond to the
>> > allegations / shed more light on this?
>> >
>> >
>> > Tweet from Robert Alai (@RobertAlai)
>> >
>> > Robert Alai (@RobertAlai) tweeted at 1:22 PM on Mon, May 05, 2014:
>> >
>> > Now the govt through CCK wants ISPs to block some 15 websites and blogs
>> > critical of the government.
>> >
>> > ( https://twitter.com/RobertAlai/status/463262331695550464 )
>> >
>> > Victor
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