[kictanet] Security Situation in Kenya

Mon Jun 16 21:46:59 EAT 2014

In India, when a train derails, the Minister of transport resigns. A
train to which he has no control of.
We Kenyans demand so little.

Enough said.

On 16/06/2014, Mark Mwangi via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> In my opinion this squarely falls in the docket of the executive branch of
> Government. Technology solves nothing without the will to use it. 40 armed
> militia are not impossible to track whether in thick forest or open
> savannah. As Adam said, if no heads roll then it signals that no-one is at
> fault and we should accept it just like all the other incidents.
>
> The police are well trained. poorly equipped and lets not forget that they
> follow orders. The reason that no one responded for hours is because they
> were ordered not to. The reason the Killing of Satao was possible is
> because those that can stop it are deliberately ill equipped. Its not
> rocket science.
>
> None of this happens in Ethiopia where they have been beating up Alshabab
> till the Indian ocean for decades. They dont tolerate any crap. We tolerate
> alot of it.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> Wagging the dog?
>>
>>
>> http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2014/06/political-link-likely-in-mpeketoni-attack-lenku/
>>
>> *Ali Hussein*
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>> "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will
>> have a generation of idiots".  ~ Albert Einstein
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jun 16, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Philip Adar via kictanet <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>> During Westgate, 4 terrorists were able to hold back our military for
>> 4-days. All that time, our top security officers were camping out there
>> with misleading updates (such like 10 to 15 armed so and so...).
>>
>> In the end, the building went up in smoke days later and up to date; no
>> one knows how that happened.
>>
>> Of cause in this country, that is such a small matter that nobody should
>> be answerable over the miss-steps...
>>
>> And if Westgate was "small"; then Mpeketoni may not even warrant a
>> scrutiny!
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Adam Nelson via kictanet <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>>> We'll be able to judge how seriously GoK takes this by how high up the
>>> person is who gets fired.  I suspect nobody will just like after
>>> Westgate
>>> ... and that's exactly how seriously they take it.
>>>
>>> -Adam
>>> --
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gichuki,
>>>>
>>>> These are questions that are also very troubling to me.
>>>>
>>>> If you think about it, the British Consulate in Mombasa, maybe the
>>>> oldest consulate was closed last week amid terrorism fears. This not
>>>> from
>>>> any other Country, but UK, one country that has arguably the largest
>>>> investment in Kenya, where a decision like that is not taken lightly.
>>>>
>>>> And not even a week later, we get hit at Mpeketoni. Now, we might not
>>>> have been able to stop it, but the least we would have done, having
>>>> gotten
>>>> the signals from our friends who were closing their Consulates at the
>>>> coast, is to have been very well prepared.
>>>>
>>>> I am told these guys hit at 20:00hrs and up until morning hours when
>>>> they left no one had arrived to counter them. Yet, from the word go,
>>>> the
>>>> communication about the attack was all over, including social media. If
>>>> this sounds familiar, its exactly what happened at Westgate.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know what school you would have gone to if after these two
>>>> very-similiar attacks you can recommend that our terrorism problems are
>>>> quickly sorted by using an upgraded technology network.
>>>>
>>>> IMO, it is time we talked the truth and called a spade a spade,
>>>> starting
>>>> with the fact that what has been recommended thus far is a white
>>>> elephant
>>>> and what we need more is more motivated & dedicated cops topped of with
>>>> good leadership and quality intelligence.
>>>>
>>>> Rgds
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia <
>>>> chuksjonia at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ask yourself, why did US embassy shut down before this, and why did UK
>>>>> Embassy do the same last week?
>>>>>
>>>>> Did they get this information earlier?
>>>>>
>>>>> How did they get it?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet
>>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > Phares,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Even saying "...this is not a technology problem ..." can be quite
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > answer to the problem.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > One of the problems I am seeing with the recent trend is where there
>>>>> is
>>>>> > this belief that once this 3G, 4G, 5G etc police network gets up, we
>>>>> will
>>>>> > have gotten to the root of the problem. Its the classic case of
>>>>> having the
>>>>> > only tool being a hammer, and no wonder the solution is Networks.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > IMO, you would probably get more bang for your buck if you put half
>>>>> of the
>>>>> > Ksh 15B budget into human intelligence i.e buying information from
>>>>> > informants than through spending it on to getting real-time images
>>>>> from our
>>>>> > cities.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Rgds
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Phares Kariuki via kictanet <
>>>>> > kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> I'm not convinced it's a technology issue, rather a lack of will.
>>>>> We've
>>>>> >> got people who benefit from the lack of security (ivory trade,
>>>>> >> drugs
>>>>> >> etc),
>>>>> >> so the government is not incentivised to fight crime in general.
>>>>> What the
>>>>> >> government fails to realise is that petty crime finances larger
>>>>> crimes.
>>>>> >> Al
>>>>> >> Shabaab does not have an investment bank where they can get a
>>>>> convertible
>>>>> >> note to finance a terror attack, it can't really list on the NSE.
>>>>> They
>>>>> >> traffic drugs, ivory etc. The solution is a thorough crack down on
>>>>> crime
>>>>> >> which generally tends to provide the intelligence bodies with much
>>>>> needed
>>>>> >> intel. We can't eat our cake and have it too. The government seems
>>>>> >> to
>>>>> >> think
>>>>> >> that they can have lax security policy and still somehow secure the
>>>>> >> country.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> We additionally need to look at who is in charge of security
>>>>> >> policy.
>>>>> It's
>>>>> >> absurd to have someone who thinks that a crack down on tint (an
>>>>> illegal
>>>>> >> crack down no less) is in charge of the police force. The
>>>>> >> individual
>>>>> >> charged with enforcing the law does not understand or respect the
>>>>> law.
>>>>> >> The
>>>>> >> internal security minister is, frankly, clueless. We've got no
>>>>> cohesive
>>>>> >> security policy.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Crime has always been an issue. You might have technology, but it's
>>>>> worth
>>>>> >> precious little if it takes the armed forces 4-5 hours to respond,
>>>>> or if
>>>>> >> they will try and shake down the terrorist for bribes. A lot of
>>>>> >> this
>>>>> >> technology was not there in the eighties, nineties and noughties.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> At this point, there is a shortage of police because they are busy
>>>>> >> washing
>>>>> >> cars in the judiciary or guarding "VIP's". There is a shortage of
>>>>> police
>>>>> >> cars because every "VIP" gets a chase car to ensure that they are
>>>>> >> insulated
>>>>> >> from their policy failures (traffic, insecurity etc). The state at
>>>>> this
>>>>> >> point does not really care about the citizen and it's primary
>>>>> concern is
>>>>> >> extracting the citizen (corporate included) to finance rent seekers
>>>>> who
>>>>> >> have no economic value. Our taxes keep increasing and because the
>>>>> state
>>>>> >> has
>>>>> >> a monopoly on violence, we are not really allowed to question how
>>>>> >> the
>>>>> >> state
>>>>> >> mis-uses our taxes.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> What we have is not a technology problem but rather general failure
>>>>> of an
>>>>> >> arm of government.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia via
>>>>> kictanet <
>>>>> >> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> Kenyan Government needs to install the concept of Command,
>>>>> >>> Control,
>>>>> >>> Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance and
>>>>> >>> Reconnaissance "C4ISR", like the US and Israel did. The youth are
>>>>> >>> capable of helping in such an initiative, and the Govt needs to
>>>>> >>> use
>>>>> >>> the youth instead of denying them projects, when we are the ones
>>>>> >>> who
>>>>> >>> know how to write applications, use computer networks to implement
>>>>> ICT
>>>>> >>> Products that cant effectively and efficiently help Kenyan
>>>>> >>> Security
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> ./Chucks
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <
>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>>> >>> > Listers,
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > In case you might not have heard, there has been a very serious
>>>>> >>> > security
>>>>> >>> > breach that has occurred in Mpeketoni, Lamu that has so far
>>>>> claimed
>>>>> >>> close
>>>>> >>> > to 50 persons.
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > The details on this are here
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> http://www.nation.co.ke/news/mpeketoni-Lamu-gunfire-al-shabaab-terrorism/-/1056/2349860/-/yf5qvgz/-/index.html
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > To put this into context, Mpeketoni is the largest town, bar
>>>>> >>> > Lamu,
>>>>> >>> between
>>>>> >>> > the Somali Border and Malindi and the center of commercial
>>>>> activity in
>>>>> >>> the
>>>>> >>> > region.
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > So, as much as a lot of us might not know it, the fact that
>>>>> Al-Shabbab
>>>>> >>> > could drive trucks full of fighters into such a town and commit
>>>>> these
>>>>> >>> > crimes and then leave should send all the security-bells that we
>>>>> have
>>>>> >>> > ringing.
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > This is exactly how Boko Haram started in Nigeria and we are
>>>>> seeing it
>>>>> >>> > played out here right infront of us.
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > I think its time that we spoke as the local ICT Community and
>>>>> came up
>>>>> >>> with
>>>>> >>> > a stand on what in our opinion needs to be done in ICT Terms to
>>>>> secure
>>>>> >>> this
>>>>> >>> > nation.
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > As an example, it would actually be very irresponsible of us to
>>>>> let a
>>>>> >>> few
>>>>> >>> > gentlemen to come together and tell us the solution to our
>>>>> >>> > current
>>>>> >>> security
>>>>> >>> > problems, from an ICT perspective, is a police network deal that
>>>>> >>> > largely
>>>>> >>> > puts CCTV Cameras in Nairobi & Mombasa, when maybe nothing is
>>>>> being
>>>>> >>> spent
>>>>> >>> > to secure our porous borders as well as actual on-the-ground
>>>>> >>> intelligence
>>>>> >>> > collection.
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > We could send this as a proposal to the powers that be as well
>>>>> >>> > as
>>>>> the
>>>>> >>> > parliamentary ICT Committee and hope, nay, push, until something
>>>>> gets
>>>>> >>> done.
>>>>> >>> > The way I see this working is, we draft a document, brief and
>>>>> simple
>>>>> >>> with
>>>>> >>> > what our recommendations are, then Listers can comment on it. If
>>>>> >>> > largely
>>>>> >>> > agreeable, we send it to the powers that be.
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > Let me now what your thoughts are, and we could see what we can
>>>>> >>> > do
>>>>> >>> > about
>>>>> >>> > this.
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > --
>>>>> >>> > *Regards,*
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > *Wait**haka Ngigi*
>>>>> >>> > Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi
>>>>> Synod
>>>>> >>> > Building
>>>>> >>> > T + 254 (0) 20 2333 471 |Office Mobile: +254 786 28 28 28 | M +
>>>>> 254
>>>>> >>> 737 811
>>>>> >>> > 000
>>>>> >>> > www.at.co.ke
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> --
>>>>> >>> --
>>>>> >>> Gichuki John Ndirangu, C.E.H , C.P.T.P, O.S.C.P
>>>>> >>> I.T Security Analyst and Penetration Tester
>>>>> >>> jgichuki at inbox d0t com
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> {FORUM}http://lists.my.co.ke/pipermail/security/
>>>>> >>> http://chuksjonia.blogspot.com/
>>>>> >>>
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>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> --
>>>>> >> Warm Regards,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Phares Kariuki
>>>>> >>
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>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > *Regards,*
>>>>> >
>>>>> > *Wait**haka Ngigi*
>>>>> > Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod
>>>>> > Building
>>>>> > T + 254 (0) 20 2333 471 |Office Mobile: +254 786 28 28 28 | M + 254
>>>>> 737 811
>>>>> > 000
>>>>> > www.at.co.ke
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> --
>>>>> Gichuki John Ndirangu, C.E.H , C.P.T.P, O.S.C.P
>>>>> I.T Security Analyst and Penetration Tester
>>>>> jgichuki at inbox d0t com
>>>>>
>>>>> {FORUM}http://lists.my.co.ke/pipermail/security/
>>>>> http://chuksjonia.blogspot.com/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *Regards,*
>>>>
>>>> *Wait**haka Ngigi*
>>>> Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod
>>>> Building
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>>>> 811 000
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>>
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>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and
>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and
>> development.
>>
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>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and
>> bandwidth,
>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do
>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Mark Mwangi
>
> markmwangi.me.ke
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