[kictanet] Security Situation in Kenya

Phares Kariuki pkariuki at gmail.com
Mon Jun 16 15:20:38 EAT 2014


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/13/opinion/13iht-edrobin_ed3_.html

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/aug/24/20040824-103659-8598r/




On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki at gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree. We won't have gotten to the root of the problem when we get 4G
> etc. We need to invest in intelligence.
>
> Phillip,
>
> There have been ways of collecting intelligence without technology for
> years - for instance, during the cold war (yes, technology improved
> intelligence gathering, but inserting sleeper agents, interrogation of
> arrested criminals and general crime crackdowns yield more than a
> surveillance state). Think about it - the UK/US knew about the attacks -
> they don't have camera's monitoring Lamu. They do, however, have well oiled
> intelligence mechanisms.
>
> My point here is - the incentives that the entire police machinery in
> Kenya have is not providing security, but rather, rent seeking. That is
> what needs to change. When that changes, they will have an incentive to use
> the technology anyway, but when the Inspector General rewards his police
> officers by allowing them to shake down innocent civilians (being arrested
> for not scanning people for bombs, absurd tint directives etc), he's
> basically sending a message that the citizens security is not his priority.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi at at.co.ke> wrote:
>
>> Phares,
>>
>> Even saying "...this is not a technology problem ..." can be quite the
>> answer to the problem.
>>
>> One of the problems I am seeing with the recent trend is where there is
>> this belief that once this 3G, 4G, 5G etc police network gets up, we will
>> have gotten to the root of the problem. Its the classic case of having the
>> only tool being a hammer, and no wonder the solution is Networks.
>>
>> IMO, you would probably get more bang for your buck if you put half of
>> the Ksh 15B budget into human intelligence i.e buying information from
>> informants than through spending it on to getting real-time images from our
>> cities.
>>
>> Rgds
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Phares Kariuki via kictanet <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not convinced it's a technology issue, rather a lack of will. We've
>>> got people who benefit from the lack of security (ivory trade, drugs etc),
>>> so the government is not incentivised to fight crime in general. What the
>>> government fails to realise is that petty crime finances larger crimes. Al
>>> Shabaab does not have an investment bank where they can get a convertible
>>> note to finance a terror attack, it can't really list on the NSE. They
>>> traffic drugs, ivory etc. The solution is a thorough crack down on crime
>>> which generally tends to provide the intelligence bodies with much needed
>>> intel. We can't eat our cake and have it too. The government seems to think
>>> that they can have lax security policy and still somehow secure the
>>> country.
>>>
>>> We additionally need to look at who is in charge of security policy.
>>> It's absurd to have someone who thinks that a crack down on tint (an
>>> illegal crack down no less) is in charge of the police force. The
>>> individual charged with enforcing the law does not understand or respect
>>> the law. The internal security minister is, frankly, clueless. We've got no
>>> cohesive security policy.
>>>
>>> Crime has always been an issue. You might have technology, but it's
>>> worth precious little if it takes the armed forces 4-5 hours to respond, or
>>> if they will try and shake down the terrorist for bribes. A lot of this
>>> technology was not there in the eighties, nineties and noughties.
>>>
>>> At this point, there is a shortage of police because they are busy
>>> washing cars in the judiciary or guarding "VIP's". There is a shortage of
>>> police cars because every "VIP" gets a chase car to ensure that they are
>>> insulated from their policy failures (traffic, insecurity etc). The state
>>> at this point does not really care about the citizen and it's primary
>>> concern is extracting the citizen (corporate included) to finance rent
>>> seekers who have no economic value. Our taxes keep increasing and because
>>> the state has a monopoly on violence, we are not really allowed to question
>>> how the state mis-uses our taxes.
>>>
>>> What we have is not a technology problem but rather general failure of
>>> an arm of government.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia via kictanet <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Kenyan Government needs to install the concept of Command, Control,
>>>> Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance and
>>>> Reconnaissance "C4ISR", like the US and Israel did. The youth are
>>>> capable of helping in such an initiative, and the Govt needs to use
>>>> the youth instead of denying them projects, when we are the ones who
>>>> know how to write applications, use computer networks to implement ICT
>>>> Products that cant effectively and efficiently help Kenyan Security
>>>>
>>>> ./Chucks
>>>>
>>>> On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > Listers,
>>>> >
>>>> > In case you might not have heard, there has been a very serious
>>>> security
>>>> > breach that has occurred in Mpeketoni, Lamu that has so far claimed
>>>> close
>>>> > to 50 persons.
>>>> >
>>>> > The details on this are here
>>>> >
>>>> http://www.nation.co.ke/news/mpeketoni-Lamu-gunfire-al-shabaab-terrorism/-/1056/2349860/-/yf5qvgz/-/index.html
>>>> >
>>>> > To put this into context, Mpeketoni is the largest town, bar Lamu,
>>>> between
>>>> > the Somali Border and Malindi and the center of commercial activity
>>>> in the
>>>> > region.
>>>> >
>>>> > So, as much as a lot of us might not know it, the fact that Al-Shabbab
>>>> > could drive trucks full of fighters into such a town and commit these
>>>> > crimes and then leave should send all the security-bells that we have
>>>> > ringing.
>>>> >
>>>> > This is exactly how Boko Haram started in Nigeria and we are seeing it
>>>> > played out here right infront of us.
>>>> >
>>>> > I think its time that we spoke as the local ICT Community and came up
>>>> with
>>>> > a stand on what in our opinion needs to be done in ICT Terms to
>>>> secure this
>>>> > nation.
>>>> >
>>>> > As an example, it would actually be very irresponsible of us to let a
>>>> few
>>>> > gentlemen to come together and tell us the solution to our current
>>>> security
>>>> > problems, from an ICT perspective, is a police network deal that
>>>> largely
>>>> > puts CCTV Cameras in Nairobi & Mombasa, when maybe nothing is being
>>>> spent
>>>> > to secure our porous borders as well as actual on-the-ground
>>>> intelligence
>>>> > collection.
>>>> >
>>>> > We could send this as a proposal to the powers that be as well as the
>>>> > parliamentary ICT Committee and hope, nay, push, until something gets
>>>> done.
>>>> > The way I see this working is, we draft a document, brief and simple
>>>> with
>>>> > what our recommendations are, then Listers can comment on it. If
>>>> largely
>>>> > agreeable, we send it to the powers that be.
>>>> >
>>>> > Let me now what your thoughts are, and we could see what we can do
>>>> about
>>>> > this.
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > *Regards,*
>>>> >
>>>> > *Wait**haka Ngigi*
>>>> > Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod
>>>> > Building
>>>> > T + 254 (0) 20 2333 471 |Office Mobile: +254 786 28 28 28 | M + 254
>>>> 737 811
>>>> > 000
>>>> > www.at.co.ke
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> Gichuki John Ndirangu, C.E.H , C.P.T.P, O.S.C.P
>>>> I.T Security Analyst and Penetration Tester
>>>> jgichuki at inbox d0t com
>>>>
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>>>> http://chuksjonia.blogspot.com/
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Warm Regards,
>>>
>>> Phares Kariuki
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Regards,*
>>
>> *Wait**haka Ngigi*
>> Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod
>> Building
>> T + 254 (0) 20 2333 471 |Office Mobile: +254 786 28 28 28 | M + 254 737
>> 811 000
>> www.at.co.ke
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Warm Regards,
>
> Phares Kariuki
>
> *E*: pkariuki at gmail.com | *Twitter*: kaboro |* Skype*: kariukiphares | *B*
> : http://www.kaboro.com/ |
>
>



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Warm Regards,

Phares Kariuki

*E*: pkariuki at gmail.com | *Twitter*: kaboro |* Skype*: kariukiphares | *B*:
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