[kictanet] Vodafone admits that some governments have a direct link to their network for snooping

S.M. Muraya murigi.muraya at gmail.com
Sat Jun 7 18:25:13 EAT 2014


The CIA is primarily into "offshore" snooping/espionage and unlikely to
make public announcements .

It is the FBI who are more likely to openly query civilians or announce
their activities (onshore) in the USA

http://mashable.com/2013/09/11/fbi-microsoft-bitlocker-backdoor/

Safaricom is better than Anglo Leasing traitors building up "hospitality"
abroad without building up Kenyan initiative + intelligence.

Safaricom  will not deliver the local initiative we need (as bureaucrats
look down on SMEs) but is better than nothing to begin with..

It was not a Phd but a smart college dropout on a CIA project which caused
Oracle (the Database Company) to come into being.

http://www.evancarmichael.com/Famous-Entrepreneurs/649/The-Billionaire-Dropout-The-Early-Years-of-Larry-Ellison.html

The rest, as they say is history  :)

Regards

Murigi / Stanley Muraya

*"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one
who takes a city." Prov 16:32*


On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> :)
>
> Ngigi, my thoughts exactly. However, I think some of these things need to
> go into the preserve of NIS as part of their budget. Imagine if the US Govt
> (read CIA et al) announced that they are building a super secret network to
> curb terrorism...Where is the secrecy then?
>
> Just saying..
>
>
> *Ali Hussein*
>
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> "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will
> have a generation of idiots".  ~ Albert Einstein
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 7, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi at at.co.ke> wrote:
>
> There is also something which is not clear on the proposed Network, is it
> an Intelligence Network, Law Enforcement Network or both? Normally
> Intelligence would have a lot more sway as the last thing we would want is
> to wake up and find Al-Shabaab Tanks right in the middle of town.
>
> Then, the other side of the coin rears its ugly side once again.... The AG
> says he was never consulted in drafting this deal (
> http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/?articleID=2000123884&story_title=my-advice-was-not-sought-says-ag
> ).
>
> Picture this, you are about to strike a Ksh 15B deal and you don't consult
> your Lawyer? Is that not what you would want to do as the first thing?
>
> "...And so the wise men sat together, came up with a wise plan to have a
> security network and an even smarter plan that the country will not have to
> pay anything for now as the single-sourced contractor will finance the
> whole project and for good measure, keep the Governments Legal adviser at
> bay...."
>
> Seriously, I would have thought Anura Pereira had a copyright on this
> scheme?
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:
>
>> Ngigi
>>
>> I like your thinking and the paradigm you have brought forth.
>>
>> My real sense of all this is that we are taking this transparency thing
>> too far. If the govt really needs to build this network to safeguard our
>> borders we need to rethink how the rules of engagement are going to be
>> going forward.
>>
>>
>> *Ali Hussein*
>>
>> +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
>>
>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>
>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>
>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
>>
>> Blog: www.alyhussein.com
>>
>> "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will
>> have a generation of idiots".  ~ Albert Einstein
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi at at.co.ke> wrote:
>>
>> Ali,
>>
>> This is the way I see it:
>> 1. It's almost a forgone conclusion that Governments will listen in on
>> communications between citizens; if the NSA could collect Americans private
>> communications without court-orders and this with all the Bills of Rights
>> in place, then what chance do other countries & Angela Merkel have?
>>
>> 2.What worries me more about the Vodafones of this world is that, their
>> primary allegiance is not to the countries where they do business, but to
>> their motherland, UK. Who would like to bet whether #G#H#C#Q# listens in on
>> private communications from the Safaricom/Vodafone Network? Every
>> Government Officials communication including our President's is fair game.
>>
>> 3. If then we contract the same Safaricom/Vodafone to build for us a
>> 'Secure' Communications Network, you can bet that every router, switch, and
>> Server that will be deployed with have pre-built backdoors just in-case
>> they will need to be used in the future.
>>
>> So, if indeed we know all the above, why go ahead and contract
>> Safaricom/Vodafone to build our security network? Is it the lesser evil?
>>
>> 4. One of the reasons cited by GoK to single-source with Safaricom is
>> that it is the only organization that is affliated to GoK that can do this.
>> Which is exactly not true as I believe we do have a pretty significant
>> shareholding in Orange and there is nothing as good as a competing offer to
>> get you best value.
>>
>> And a different angle to this, does our police really need an independent
>> network (which also happens to be the bulk of the Ksh 15B that we'll be
>> paying for?). Instead of building a single network and putting all our
>> anti-terrorism 'eggs' in it, would it not have been more prudent and less
>> expensive to use the already existing networks but with an added security
>> layer and achieve the exact same result?
>>
>> Rent the networks from anyone who has capacity (Safaricom, Orange, Yu
>> etc) build your layer on top and you don't have to worry about 4G, 5G,
>> 6G... As they upgrade, you upgrade.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>>> Listers
>>>
>>> In view of the debate about the security tender awarded to Safaricom and
>>> now in contention within the parliamentary committee responsible for this
>>> its incumbent upon all of us in the industry that we understand this issue
>>> deeper.
>>>
>>> See below:-
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.businessinsider.com/r-vodafone-says-governments-have-direct-access-to-eavesdrop-in-some-countries-2014-06
>>>
>>> I'm also curious to know what the TOR for this tender was. I'm all open
>>> to the government securing our borders against our enemies but we also must
>>> know what these parameters of 'snooping' are.
>>>
>>> *Ali Hussein*
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
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>>
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