[kictanet] PSVs required to fit cameras, implement cashless payment, and fleet management systems

Tue Jan 7 09:11:44 EAT 2014

Ali,

Indeed what is needed is political will, we have countless examples of
working transport systems. I like your analagy of transport being
considered a critical resource, this will be an important starting point.

Best Regards
On Jan 7, 2014 5:33 AM, "Ali Hussein" <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:

> Listers
>
> Lost in all this discussion about safety and payment systems in public
> transport is that:-
>
> 1. Any country worth its salt and geared for growth prioritizes public
> transport as a critical resource for growth.
>
> 2. In most of the 'developed' world public transport is not left entirely
> to the vagaries of private enterprise. These are concessions that are
> tendered out every 5-10 years and the winner(s) of the concession is
> subject to clear QoS standards and fares are preset by both the Govt and
> the concessionaire. The UK has done this pretty successfully.
>
> 3. A look at Dubai will tell you that the RTA (Road Transport Authority)
> owns and manages the Metro, the Taxis and the buses which have an
> interoperable payment system. And the system works like a well oiled
> machine.
>
> The million dollar question is whether we have the political will to
> overhaul our mass transport systems.
>
> Over the holidays my sister and her kids insisted they wanted to go to
> Mombasa via train. I asked them severally if they were sure about this.
> After an argument of pros and cons we finally bought them tickets and they
> embarked on their 'adventure'. A number of things stood out for me:-
>
> 1. The road leading to the train station could be categorized more as the
> surface of the moon than a road.
> 2. The train station is like it is in a time capsule circa 1985 when I
> used to go via train from Mombasa to Nairobi to boarding school. I swear to
> God that the station has not improved one bit. It's like it was when the
> British built it!!
> 3. Lastly it took my family 24 hours (yes 24 hours!!) to reach Mombasa
> when it took me about 11 hours in 1985!!
>
> I'm not saying that this talk about payment systems and interoperability
> isn't progress but..
>
> Are we putting the cart before the horse?? Are we band aiding a cancer
> when what we need is chemotherapy?
>
> Just saying..
>
> Ali Hussein
>
> +254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113
>
> "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will
> have a generation of idiots".  ~ Albert Einstein
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 6, 2014, at 9:14 PM, Baiju Shah <baiju at tele2media.com> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Very interesting discussion on new policy, in fact the government should
> consider the implementation of a single standard for payments like ITSO in
> the UK to provide interoperability between different modes of transport.
> e.g. If I use the train, matatu to get to work I should be able to buy or
> load a ticket on to a card, mobile phone or any other, which could be
> easily accepted by the different modes of transport operators.
>
> This will also enable some amount of regulation and discipline within the
> modal transport operators who could be measured on quality of service. This
> could also include behaviour on the road. Simple matrix could be developed,
> to provide the quality of transport that is available in many cities around
> the world. This also is away to ensure that the government is able to
> assure safety, in return be able to collect taxes to improve facilities for
> the commuters that could include footpaths and proper rest areas etc.
>
> Furthermore, not too sure of the fleet management aspect of the policy as
> this is something that individual companies can choose to implement, is
> open to manipulation, this will not guarantee that the different companies
> are meeting their stated KPI's, and there is no way you can penalise the
> PSV it could be too late, additionally, all PSV drivers need to retest and
> get issued with proper driving licences that are not subject to fraud as a
> part of the regulation of the sector.
>
> There are many points that could be discussed, the important point is
> there is action being taken and if there is help required in thinking
> through the various policies and if it is going to make the daily commute
> easy we are here to help and advice.
>
> Thanks
>
> Best Regards,
> Baiju Shah
> Telemedia Africa Ltd
> Tel. 0787332247 / 0701691570
>
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>     and fleet management systems (Watila Alex)
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> Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 17:58:02 +0300
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> From: Mark Mwangi <mwangy at gmail.com>
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> To: Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi at at.co.ke>
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> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
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> I agree with the scheduling bit though i don't see how this can be divorced
>
> from the fares. I still insist transport should be primarily a govt affair.
>
> If not by ownership then by strict regulation inclusive of setting of
>
> fares, just like in Energy. if let loose we have the likes of Enron and our
>
> matatu culture as is. Some sectors cannot be left to market forces because
>
> market forces are largely an idyllic situation and manipulated to the core.
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi at at.co.ke> wrote:
>
>
> Digital Speed Governors aka Tachographs are a good idea.
>
>
> We could start with that, get matatus on regular timed schedules, then
>
> start selling electronic tickets for day, week & month, yearly. This you
>
> pay for using Mpesa etc, but spot fares should be in cash.
>
>
> Waithaka Ngigi
>
>
> Alliance Technologies
>
> Nairobi, Kenya
>
>
> www.A1.io
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> On 5 Jan 2014 13:21, "Kivuva" <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com> wrote:
>
>
> A new law to regulate the public transport has been put in place and
>
> will take effect by June 2014 where
>
> 1. All PSVs must implement cashless paymeny system for bus fare
>
> 2. All PSVs to be fit with fleet management systems where overspeeding
>
> will be checked from system logs, not on speed cameras
>
> 3. All PSVs to have surveillance cameras to reduce carjackings, petty
>
> crimes, and terrorism
>
> 4. Install digital speed governors
>
>
> This will see Beba Pay and Mpesa fight for supremacy. I'm keen to see
>
> what card Safaricom has on it's deck. This is a great opportunity for
>
> payment system innovators to comeup with exciting products, and also
>
> for fleet management system companies to have regular work. The
>
> commuters on the other hand will dig dipper in their pockets to pay
>
> for the services.
>
>
> And finally, the government has a way of collecting taxes on the Ksh
>
> 205 Billion industry
>
>
>
>
> http://mobile.nation.co.ke/business/New-law-on-technology-to-transform-PSV-sector/-/1950106/2134508/-/format/xhtml/-/5hut8qz/-/index.html
>
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> To: Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi at at.co.ke>
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> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
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>
> smartbus tried cashless payments and they were always getting network
>
> errors.
>
>
> Is the required infrastructure in place and is it reliable enough to
>
> work all the time?
>
>
> regards,
>
>
> Alex
>
>
> On 01/05/2014 02:00 PM, Ngigi Waithaka wrote:
>
>
> The hubris of those in power...
>
>
> Show me who will implement this and I'll tell you whether this will
>
> work... We better re-invent a few Michuki's!
>
>
> On a more fundamental level isn't forcing Kenyans to use a certain
>
> form of payment over others a violation of our rights to use The
>
> Kenyan Currency in our transactions?
>
>
> Can you deny a Kenyan a fundamental service such as transport if they
>
> presented to you valid legal tender in hard currency in Ksh?
>
>
> Waithaka Ngigi
>
>
> Alliance Technologies
>
> Nairobi, Kenya
>
>
> www.A1.io <http://www.A1.io>
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>
> On 5 Jan 2014 13:21, "Kivuva" <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com
>
> <mailto:Kivuva at transworldafrica.com <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com>>> wrote:
>
>
>   A new law to regulate the public transport has been put in place and
>
>   will take effect by June 2014 where
>
>   1. All PSVs must implement cashless paymeny system for bus fare
>
>   2. All PSVs to be fit with fleet management systems where overspeeding
>
>   will be checked from system logs, not on speed cameras
>
>   3. All PSVs to have surveillance cameras to reduce carjackings, petty
>
>   crimes, and terrorism
>
>   4. Install digital speed governors
>
>
>   This will see Beba Pay and Mpesa fight for supremacy. I'm keen to see
>
>   what card Safaricom has on it's deck. This is a great opportunity for
>
>   payment system innovators to comeup with exciting products, and also
>
>   for fleet management system companies to have regular work. The
>
>   commuters on the other hand will dig dipper in their pockets to pay
>
>   for the services.
>
>
>   And finally, the government has a way of collecting taxes on the Ksh
>
>   205 Billion industry
>
>
>
> http://mobile.nation.co.ke/business/New-law-on-technology-to-transform-PSV-sector/-/1950106/2134508/-/format/xhtml/-/5hut8qz/-/index.html
>
>
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> I totally agree with Mark. Public transport has and should always be looked
>
> at as a service of the government to the masses. Cameras and payment
>
> systems are just means of putting money into the pockets of a few companies
>
> or individuals and as such do not really help solve the problem. Think if
>
> the sector was run as a non profit (and in a sustainable manner) all would
>
> leave there cars at home and use the system. As we move forward think the
>
> thought of companies running the sector on commission of the government
>
> would also work. Auction off a licence 2-5 year to run the sector on behalf
>
> of the gov or counties with well laid out goals and guidelines as
>
> benchmarks. Off course infrastructure has to be put in place first like bus
>
> lanes everywhere, bus stops away from the main roads (thika rd and mombasa
>
> rd should not have bus stops) in short better planning.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Watila Alex <awatila at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> smartbus tried cashless payments and they were always getting network
>
> errors.
>
>
> Is the required infrastructure in place and is it reliable enough to work
>
> all the time?
>
>
> regards,
>
>
> Alex
>
>
>
> On 01/05/2014 02:00 PM, Ngigi Waithaka wrote:
>
>
> The hubris of those in power...
>
>
> Show me who will implement this and I'll tell you whether this will
>
> work... We better re-invent a few Michuki's!
>
>
> On a more fundamental level isn't forcing Kenyans to use a certain form of
>
> payment over others a violation of our rights to use The Kenyan Currency in
>
> our transactions?
>
>
> Can you deny a Kenyan a fundamental service such as transport if they
>
> presented to you valid legal tender in hard currency in Ksh?
>
>
> Waithaka Ngigi
>
>
> Alliance Technologies
>
> Nairobi, Kenya
>
>
> www.A1.io
>
> On 5 Jan 2014 13:21, "Kivuva" <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com> wrote:
>
>
> A new law to regulate the public transport has been put in place and
>
> will take effect by June 2014 where
>
> 1. All PSVs must implement cashless paymeny system for bus fare
>
> 2. All PSVs to be fit with fleet management systems where overspeeding
>
> will be checked from system logs, not on speed cameras
>
> 3. All PSVs to have surveillance cameras to reduce carjackings, petty
>
> crimes, and terrorism
>
> 4. Install digital speed governors
>
>
> This will see Beba Pay and Mpesa fight for supremacy. I'm keen to see
>
> what card Safaricom has on it's deck. This is a great opportunity for
>
> payment system innovators to comeup with exciting products, and also
>
> for fleet management system companies to have regular work. The
>
> commuters on the other hand will dig dipper in their pockets to pay
>
> for the services.
>
>
> And finally, the government has a way of collecting taxes on the Ksh
>
> 205 Billion industry
>
>
>
>
> http://mobile.nation.co.ke/business/New-law-on-technology-to-transform-PSV-sector/-/1950106/2134508/-/format/xhtml/-/5hut8qz/-/index.html
>
>
> --
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> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and
> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
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> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth,
> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do
> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
>
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