[kictanet] Licensing Framework for .ke - This is a reminder to get some response from CA, KENIC, DRAKE

Wed Dec 10 14:14:25 EAT 2014

Mwendwa

As Walu said yesterday I think this discussion and engagement died with the previous regime. 

The Digital Government seems to have gone Analogue. 

As we Swahilis say - Kimya kina mshindo ( loosely translated - Silence speaks louder than words). 

Ali Hussein

+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113

Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
Blog: www.alyhussein.com

"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots".  ~ Albert Einstein

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 10, 2014, at 1:17 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com> wrote:
> 
> Thank you Ali for being consistent with this.
> 
> CA's hold of KENIC is not helping the industry. What we should
> advocate for very firmly is for community driven policy development
> process, and have checks and balances in the process. Any community
> member should be able to present a draft that is debated by all
> stakeholders. The policy can then be ratified by the board or during
> the AGM. If the policy is rejected, there can be a dispute resolution
> mechanism where the contentious issues are presented to an independent
> dispute board. This is the best practice the world over.
> Denying the community a chance to give input is just plain canning
> and should be condemned to the highest degree.
> 
> Let us continue to knock at the door and present these issues in all
> our forums including the KENIC AGM year in, year out.
> 
>> On 10/12/2014, Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>> Thanks John.
>> 
>> Ali Hussein
>> 
>> +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
>> 
>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>> Skype: abu-jomo
>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>> Blog: www.alyhussein.com
>> 
>> "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will
>> have a generation of idiots".  ~ Albert Einstein
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Dec 9, 2014, at 8:21 PM, John Kariuki <ngethe.kariuki2007 at yahoo.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ali,Listers,
>>> Please review the concluding remarks of e-mail from Rose.I can confirm
>>> that the drafters of the policy and law on the matter at that time had the
>>> same in mind. That is ,if all fail, you have some fall-back.
>>> 
>>> John Kariuki
>>> 
>>> From: Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> To: ngethe.kariuki2007 at yahoo.co.uk
>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 9 December 2014, 19:07
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Licensing Framework for .ke - This is a reminder
>>> to    get some response from CA, KENIC, DRAKE
>>> 
>>> Rose
>>> 
>>> Asante.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Ali Hussein
>>> 
>>> +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
>>> 
>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>>> Blog: www.alyhussein.com
>>> 
>>> "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will
>>> have a generation of idiots".  ~ Albert Einstein
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 9, 2014, at 12:54 PM, Rose Maghas <rose at gbc.co.ke> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Ali,
>>>> 
>>>> Sure let's take this offline. There is a lot we can achieve with this
>>>> framework. The fees is one time of Kshs 10,000/-
>>>> 
>>>> The Registrars shall be issued with an authorization upon fulfillment of
>>>> the above requirements and payment of a onetime registration fee of Kshs
>>>> 10,000.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Rose
>>>> 
>>>> From: Ali Hussein [mailto:ali at hussein.me.ke]
>>>> Sent: 09 December 2014 12:32
>>>> To: Rose Maghas
>>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; <rosemaghas at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Licensing Framework for .ke - This is a reminder
>>>> to get some response from CA, KENIC, DRAKE
>>>> 
>>>> Rose
>>>> 
>>>> I appreciate your response albeit 11 days later. :)
>>>> 
>>>> As a founding member of DRAKE I'm concerned that the association of
>>>> Registrars is taking this lying down. I however will take this up with
>>>> you offline and see if there is a place for a contrary viewpoint on this.
>>>> I firmly believe that regulation is there to make things better and
>>>> provide an enabling environment for players to play.
>>>> 
>>>> Do we know what the fees for licensing are? This half-backed
>>>> implementation of a licensing framework doesn't auger well for the
>>>> sector.
>>>> Ali Hussein
>>>> 
>>>> +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
>>>> 
>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>>>> Blog: www.alyhussein.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will
>>>> have a generation of idiots".  ~ Albert Einstein
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>> On Dec 9, 2014, at 11:57 AM, Rose Maghas <rose at gbc.co.ke> wrote:
>>>> Dear Ali and all Listers,
>>>> 
>>>> If you look at the The Kenya Information And Communications Act Chapter
>>>> 411A, specifically section 83D it states
>>>> 83D. (1) No person shall--
>>>> (a) operate an electronic certification system; or
>>>> 
>>>> (b) update a repository or administer a sub-domain in the Kenya country
>>>> top level domain (.ke ccTLD);
>>>> except in accordance with a licence granted under this Act.
>>>> 
>>>> For implementation of the Act , it therefore requires that if registrars
>>>> are going to administer the domains by way of being the admin contact,
>>>> they do require to be licensed.
>>>> 
>>>> Now to go specifically to the questions you raised:
>>>> 
>>>> 1. Shouldn't the CA/KeNIC simply have informed Registrars on the new
>>>> licensing framework etc.? This is a simple matter. KeNIC has all the
>>>> contacts (through DRAKE) of the Registrars. Better still, wouldn't it be
>>>> even a better idea to convene a meeting where we are all taken through
>>>> the new regime? Can this new framework be shared via email to all
>>>> interested parties?
>>>> 
>>>> I cannot speak for CA or KENIC. However the "ccTLD consultation Paper on
>>>> Licensing Framework"  that was sent out in January by Christopher Wambua
>>>> had an item on licensing of registrars under item no. 4.2  and I quote
>>>> "4.2.Dot KE Subdomain Name Registrars
>>>> Dot KE ccTLD subdomain Registrars shall be required to obtain a licence
>>>> from the Commission as a requirement for accreditation from the Dot KE
>>>> ccTLD and
>>>> subdomains Registry to provide Dot KE ccTLD subdomain Registrar
>>>> services."
>>>> 
>>>> 2. What is DRAKE's official position on this?
>>>> Having read through the document and participated as a stakeholder, DRAKE
>>>> does support the implementation of the same.
>>>> 
>>>> 3. As a Registrar the first thing that comes to mind is this:-
>>>> 
>>>> Are we not complicating and putting barriers for businesses to sell .ke
>>>> domains by requiring them to be licensed by CA? Isn't it enough that the
>>>> Registry is now being licensed and that the Registry vets Registrars? How
>>>> are we going to grow .ke if we now have to troop to CA every year?
>>>> I stand corrected but I have NEVER required to be licensed by CA or ICANN
>>>> to sell .ug, .tz, .com .net etc. Is it just me or is there something more
>>>> to this than meets the eye?
>>>> 
>>>> I believe with this kind of framework, we can demand more from both CA
>>>> and KENIC and we know that if KENIC fails we have CA to whom we can
>>>> require and demand both the right policies and environment to enhance our
>>>> domain registration business.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Rose Maghas
>>>> DRAKE Chairperson
>>>> 0786 220001
>>>> 
>>>> From: kictanet
>>>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+rosemaghas=gmail.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
>>>> Behalf Of Ali Hussein via kictanet
>>>> Sent: 09 December 2014 10:30
>>>> To: rosemaghas at gmail.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Licensing Framework for .ke - This is a reminder
>>>> to get some response from CA, KENIC, DRAKE
>>>> 
>>>> To CA, KENIC, DRAKE and other stakeholders
>>>> 
>>>> I'm really curious that something as important as this has gone
>>>> unanswered by you. What are we to make of this?
>> .
> 
> 
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> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
> twitter.com/lordmwesh
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