[kictanet] Incompetence gallore

Gideon gideonrop at gmail.com
Wed Sep 25 15:47:03 EAT 2013


+1 Mr. James Mbugua.

May the souls of those who lost their lives in the Westgate attack RIP and
may we find  humanity in our daily living. I appreciate all the efforts
that were made to aid during the sad time by everyone directly or
indirectly. God BLess Kenya.


> Nairobi Homicides per 100,000 people = 4
>
> Memphis, Tennessee No.10 most dangerous US City Murders per 100,000 = 24.5
>
> Top 3 are Flint, Michigan (64.9 murders per 100,000 people), Detroit
> 54.6/1000 and New Orleans, Louisiana 53.5.
>
> With 4 per 100,00, I would say Nairobi, although has work that needs to be
> done, should be judged first and foremost on the nature of its society and
> hence these comparative figures...Lack of the 911, police equipment or
> vehicles, may not be the problem but the accomodating nature of this
> society...After all, American cities with more than enough emergency lines
> operators, vehicles and so on are suffering crime rates beyond the realm of
> Nairobians' imagination (More than 10 times).
>
> We are not equipped for terrorist attacks that we have learnt just like NYC
> learn with 9/11 where many firemen and policemen died rushing into the
> towers to aid, the important thing is what lessons to draw from here.
>
> Otherwise, for someone from say the US or UK which are highly
> individualistic societies may find the lack of sufficient patrol cars a
> problem but in a society where informal social support systems pervade
> every level of society like Kenya's calling the neighbour to help is
> usually enough.
>
> James
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Joe Murithi Njeru <joe.njeru at zilojo.com
> >wrote:
>
> >  Hello Adam,
> >
> > I agree with you on all the points below.
> >
> > The level of professionalism in certain parts of public sector is
> > diabolical.
> >
> > When I was in Kigali some time back, a kid told his father - who had just
> > littered the street with a paper - that if he did not pick it up he would
> > report him to the police...
> >
> > At iHub, I always pay City Council and ensure I get a receipt. Which I
> > promptly claim as a business expense.
> >
> > That helps reduce the tax I pay  Ceaser each year.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  On 09/25/2013 11:03 AM, Adam Nelson wrote:
> >
> > I drove by a dead body this morning on the bypass between Wayaki way and
> > Grevillea Grove.  He was clearly beaten to death and been there for some
> > time.  We called an emergency line and ostensibly the police will come.
>  On
> > Ngong Rd across from Brew Bistro 2 weeks ago a boy was killed by a truck
> > and his body lay on the side of the street for 2 hours (Ngong Rd, one of
> > the busiest in town) before anybody official arrived at the scene.
> >
> >  How can it be expected that the Nairobi police handle one of the most
> > complex hostage crises of the decade when they can't even respond to a
> dead
> > body on the side of a major thoroughfare within 2 hours?
> >
> >  I visited Kigali 3 weeks ago and what it made me realize is that it's
> > not an 'African thing' or a 'Developing World thing' that Nairobi is a
> > disaster.  It's a total lack of excellence at every level of government.
> >  Kigali is better run in every respect than Nairobi and for the most
> part,
> > it just comes down to better management.
> >
> >  I'm not one for recriminations and at a time like this am mostly just
> > sad.  In the end, I'm an American and can't effect change here - it's up
> to
> > Nairobians and Kenyans to say enough is enough and to demand that the
> > public safety system be reformed.
> >
> >  1. A 911 (or 999) emergency call center
> > 2. All police wearing ID numbers and equipped with a ticket book so they
> > can write tickets
> > 3. A new type of police with a different uniform that receive double pay
> > but will be fired if found guilty of corruption
> > 4. All police equipped with a mode of transportation (even just a
> mountain
> > bike)
> > 5. All police equipped with a radio
> >
> >  Is this too much to ask of a city that bills itself as the capital of
> > anything?
> >
> >  -Adam
> >
> >   --
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> > Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud>
> > About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
> >
> >
> >  On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >>   A Standard article explains how disorderly and dangerous the operation
> >> was, Kenyans troops killed each other, and endangered the lives of
> hostages
> >> in a haphazard operation.
> >>
> >> The familiar shoot to kill order was given out http://t.co/M5tJ67KcPk
> >>
> >> Sent from my Windows Phone
> >>  ------------------------------
> >> From: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> >>  Sent: 25/09/2013 08:29
> >>  To: Dennis Kioko Mbuvi <dmbuvi at gmail.com>
> >>  Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >>  Subject: [kictanet]
> Incompetence gallore
> >>
> >>        Editorial from a Saudi Paper
> >>
> >>    -    Something wrong in Kenya
> >>
> >>    There can be no denying the extraordinary challenges facing the
> >>    Kenyan government. Yet as the last terrorists were being rooted out
> of
> >>    Nairobi?s Westgate shopping mall at the end of a slaughter spree
> that has
> >>    killed some 70 people and injured hundreds more, the Kenyan
> authorities
> >>    need to be asking themselves some hard questions.
> >>
> >>    This is a country which because it is actively involved in combating
> >>    Al-Shabab terrorists in Somalia is supposed to be on the very
> highest state
> >>    of alert. Kenya did not choose this confrontation. In 1998 it was an
> >>    amiably corrupt and easygoing country with merely a nasty record of
> armed
> >>    robberies, mostly of rich Western tourists.
> >>
> >>    Then Al-Qaeda launched one of its very first international attacks, a
> >>    deadly assault on the US embassy in the Kenyan capital which left 224
> >>    people dead the great majority of them Kenyans. Thereafter, there
> was a
> >>    succession of small attacks by the Al-Qaeda-linked Al-Shabab which
> >>    culminated in raids on Kenyan coastal tourist resorts and a Somali
> refugee
> >>    camp, targeting and kidnapping foreigners.
> >>
> >>    It was the final straw. Nairobi sent troops into Somali striking
> >>    Al-Shabab fighters in the rear as they were pressed from the north by
> >>    African Union forces. Thereafter, the terrorists resorted to
> low-level
> >>    violence, mostly hit and run grenade attacks across the Somali
> border,
> >>    until the attack by some 15 heavily armed men on the supposedly
> >>    well-guarded up-market Westgate shopping center. The attackers
> managed to
> >>    negotiate their way with all their weaponry through the capital?s
> >>    roadblocks. They contrived to organize their deadly assault without
> the
> >>    Kenyan intelligence services picking up the slightest inkling of
> what was
> >>    about to happen.
> >>
> >>    Something has got to be wrong somewhere. And the closer one looks at
> >>    the way the tragic events unfolded, the more difficult questions it
> seems
> >>    that the Kenyan authorities have to answer. Why for instance did it
> take
> >>    almost half an hour for the first properly armed and equipped teams
> to
> >>    arrive at the shopping mall? Why was there no proper building
> evacuation
> >>    scheme nor any obvious plan to respond to a terrorist outrage within
> the
> >>    complex?
> >>
> >>    Acts of bravery by shopping center staff, individual police officers
> >>    and ordinary members of the public cannot mask what appears to have
> been a
> >>    series of bungles by all those who should have been responsible for
> the
> >>    safety of the complex and its visitors. Journalists noted that when
> >>    heavily-armed special forces arrived, some seemed nervous and
> confused,
> >>    perhaps as a result of the shouting that could be heard from senior
> >>    officers who themselves seemed poorly briefed and unprepared and as a
> >>    result unsure of how best to proceed. The inevitable report into this
> >>    horrific event may find that by delaying a rapid and firm response
> to the
> >>    attack, the authorities permitted the terrorists to continue their
> killing
> >>    spree and also allowed them to consolidate their position within the
> mall.
> >>
> >>    Perhaps a clue to what went so disastrously wrong at the Westgate
> >>    mall can be found in the devastating fire at Nairobi?s Jomo Kenyatta
> >>    International Airport last month. Though the blaze broke out in the
> early
> >>    morning, meaning no one was killed, the extent of the fire and the
> >>    extraordinary delays in getting fire appliances to the scene raised
> major
> >>    questions about the competence of the Kenyan authorities. The
> Westgate
> >>    tragedy must compound these serious concerns.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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