[kictanet] Did I hear Telco CEOs say Everyone is Registered?

Thu Oct 10 18:59:42 EAT 2013

This is a very interesting discussion.

A while back when the MOI had issued the directive to have all SIMs and
phones registered, I had approached one Telco with an app idea where a
vendor could send an SMS to verify an ID number of the person wishing to
register their SIM (I saw a business opportunity for myself in this- make
some money from the transactions and an opportunity to digitize records at
Immigration). The logic was simple, the vendor was to physically verify the
particulars on the ID issued given by the customer, and send an SMS to query
the registered persons database at no extra cost to the vendor or customer.
The return SMS would then validate that the number was authentic - complete
with date of birth, names, etc. I was turned down with an explanation that
this was not good for business and it was illegal!

I would suggest that the Telcos work with Immigration, registrar of persons,
office of the AG, etc....question then becomes, does such a DB exist, and if
it does? how accurate is it? would this be legal?

Kind regards,
Edwin

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   1. Re: Did I hear Telco CEOs say Everyone is Registered?
      (Edith Adera)
   2. Re: Did I hear Telco CEOs say Everyone is Registered? (Kivuva)

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 09:19:49 +0000
From: Edith Adera <eadera at idrc.ca>
To: Bitange Ndemo <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Did I hear Telco CEOs say Everyone is
	Registered?
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Bwana Ndemo,

My beef is with CEOs not telling the truth in public!! You condone it?  

We're good at shifting blame. Telcos and CCK have to play their part,
period. If it was not done, they should be held liable.

We are too used to getting away with "below average" in Kenya. 

If the system worked, no unregistered SIM would have been active anyway, you
get my point? 

Edith
________________________________________
From: Bitange Ndemo [bitange at jambo.co.ke]
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 12:51 PM
To: Edith Adera
Cc: bitange at jambo.co.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Did I hear Telco CEOs say Everyone is Registered?

Edith,
We are just quarrelsome people.  We lack the discipline to: take our
responsibilities seriously, obey the law, be part of the solution and above
all be our brother's keepers.  The Ministry did their best in pushing for
the registration.  It was even forced to change the law in order to do it
legally.  It is for us and operators to follow the law.

As for what the registration will do to evade terrorists, let us do our part
in securing our people.  Traceability is critical in any security
arrangement.

Ndemo.

> Listers,
>
> At the press conference yesterday, did the Teleco CEOs say that 
> everyone is registered? A number of people complaining that their 
> phones were switched off last night and they got automated messages 
> indicating that their phones were not registered.
>
> We need to be honest and run this industry professionally! Have we 
> lost direction?
>
> Edith
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 13:24:06 +0300
From: Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com>
To: Mark Mwangi <mwangy at gmail.com>
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Did I hear Telco CEOs say Everyone is
	Registered?
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<snip>.

>
> That there are fake IDs being made in river road is also the 
> authorities
>

Where in River Road are fake IDs made?

</snip>

> problem. I Imagine they are always better informed than the regular 
> mwananchi what with their network of informants and NIS agents.
>
> Discipline comes from the top.
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Bernard Kioko [Bernsoft Group] < 
> bkioko at bernsoft.com> wrote:
>
>> Well said Daktari,
>>
>> My mind goes wild everytime I imagine 100% compliance in this 
>> registration.
>> The m-commerce and e-commerce opportunities that lie hidden by this.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: kictanet
>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+bkioko=bernsoft.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On 
>> Behalf Of Bitange Ndemo
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 7:52 PM
>> To: bkioko at bernsoft.com
>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Did I hear Telco CEOs say Everyone is Registered?
>>
>> Edith,
>> We are just quarrelsome people.  We lack the discipline to: take our 
>> responsibilities seriously, obey the law, be part of the solution and 
>> above all be our brother's keepers.  The Ministry did their best in 
>> pushing for the registration.  It was even forced to change the law 
>> in order to do it legally.  It is for us and operators to follow the 
>> law.
>>
>> As for what the registration will do to evade terrorists, let us do 
>> our part in securing our people.  Traceability is critical in any 
>> security arrangement.
>>
>>
>> Ndemo.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Listers,
>> >
>> > At the press conference yesterday, did the Teleco CEOs say that 
>> > everyone is registered? A number of people complaining that their 
>> > phones were switched off last night and they got automated messages 
>> > indicating that their phones were not registered.
>> >
>> > We need to be honest and run this industry professionally! Have we 
>> > lost direction?
>> >
>> > Edith
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT 
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>> > reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT 
>> > enabled growth and development.
>> >
>> > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable 
>> > behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's 
>> > times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or 
>> > personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares 
>> > or
>> qualifications.
>>
>>
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>> Business School, Lower Kabete Campus
>>
>>
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>> platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT 
>> policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for 
>> reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled
growth and development.
>>
>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable 
>> behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times 
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>> respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Mark Mwangi
>
> markmwangi.me.ke
>
>
>
>
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On 9 October 2013 20:16, Mark Mwangi <mwangy at gmail.com> wrote:

> @Dr. Ndemo are we now saying that this is also the citizens fault? If 
> I can buy a SIM card without registering, I will. The hustle of 
> registering is a waste of my time since it is of no benefit to me. The 
> information is valuable to the government and so the establishment 
> should be at the fore front of ensuring it is collected correctly.
>
> That there are fake IDs being made in river road is also the 
> authorities problem. I Imagine they are always better informed than 
> the regular mwananchi what with their network of informants and NIS
agents.
>
> Discipline comes from the top.
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Bernard Kioko [Bernsoft Group] < 
> bkioko at bernsoft.com> wrote:
>
>> Well said Daktari,
>>
>> My mind goes wild everytime I imagine 100% compliance in this 
>> registration.
>> The m-commerce and e-commerce opportunities that lie hidden by this.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: kictanet
>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+bkioko=bernsoft.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On 
>> Behalf Of Bitange Ndemo
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 7:52 PM
>> To: bkioko at bernsoft.com
>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Did I hear Telco CEOs say Everyone is Registered?
>>
>> Edith,
>> We are just quarrelsome people.  We lack the discipline to: take our 
>> responsibilities seriously, obey the law, be part of the solution and 
>> above all be our brother's keepers.  The Ministry did their best in 
>> pushing for the registration.  It was even forced to change the law 
>> in order to do it legally.  It is for us and operators to follow the 
>> law.
>>
>> As for what the registration will do to evade terrorists, let us do 
>> our part in securing our people.  Traceability is critical in any 
>> security arrangement.
>>
>>
>> Ndemo.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Listers,
>> >
>> > At the press conference yesterday, did the Teleco CEOs say that 
>> > everyone is registered? A number of people complaining that their 
>> > phones were switched off last night and they got automated messages 
>> > indicating that their phones were not registered.
>> >
>> > We need to be honest and run this industry professionally! Have we 
>> > lost direction?
>> >
>> > Edith
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > kictanet mailing list
>> > kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
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>> > co.ke
>> >
>> > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder 
>> > platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT 
>> > policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for 
>> > reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT 
>> > enabled growth and development.
>> >
>> > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable 
>> > behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's 
>> > times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or 
>> > personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares 
>> > or
>> qualifications.
>>
>>
>> University of Nairobi
>> Business School, Lower Kabete Campus
>>
>>
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>> platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT 
>> policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for 
>> reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT 
>> enabled growth and development.
>>
>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable 
>> behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times 
>> and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, 
>> respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
>>
>>
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>>
>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder 
>> platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT 
>> policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for 
>> reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled
growth and development.
>>
>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable 
>> behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times 
>> and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, 
>> respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Mark Mwangi
>
> markmwangi.me.ke
>
>
>
>
>
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growth and development.
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