[kictanet] Have we failed the nation yet again? - the inzi issue

Fri Oct 4 09:22:31 EAT 2013

.....the last time I checked this is how it started in Silicon Valley in the 80s then moved to Europe in the 90s and then Asia as the 21st century beckon but as it happens after a decade into the 21st century in Africa, suddenly there is a school of thought gaining grounds that "despises small beginnings" gaining notoriety for their lack of or their inability to just pay attention to history to realize that there is nothing new under the Tuscan sun -- this is just history repeating itself as it is meant to be....

To the crazy ones, "the method is persistence" - Camus.

Have a good weekend.

Eric here 

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On Oct 3, 2013, at 21:38, Bitange Ndemo <bitange at jambo.co.ke> wrote:

> This is a chicken and egg argument that we cannot finish here.  What do
> you think about the innovations coming out of the emerging laboratories
> such as I-hub, I-lab and the like?  Do they not need to be incubated? 
> what about Ushahidi?
> 
> 
> Ndemo.
> 
> 
> 
>> Daktari,
>> 
>> On the military, I was referring more to the local scenario than globally.
>> Without military research we probably wouldn't have the Internet and GPS
>> just to take two examples.
>> 
>> As regards Konza, IMO, its the right thing for us to do 20 years from now.
>> Yes India is building a Konza in every state, but its building Konza when
>> they already have a high technology industry which will take advantage of
>> their Konzas. They have Tata, Mahindra Satyam, Infosys and similar $1b
>> firms that can take advantage of these Konzas.
>> 
>> But, for us, we do not even have a technology industry to speak of (please
>> lets not call all these incubation centers pushing mobile apps that no one
>> is buying an industry)
>> 
>> So, the difference btn us and them is that they are building their Konzas
>> because they need them and we are building ours to be like India. The
>> classic Build, ????, Profit scenario...
>> 
>> Before we invest such amounts of money in a real estate project, would it
>> not have been more prudent and wise to invest that amount of money in
>> research in our universities as an example? Yes, and it is true our
>> universities are not doing enough research, yet, how much as a country are
>> we investing in research in our own universities? If we are not investing
>> anything much, then lets not sit and complain that they are not doing
>> much.
>> 
>> Research costs real money as real mistakes will need to be made as we
>> learn!
>> 
>> We do not need Konza for Vision 2030, but we do need to invest in
>> research,
>> we do need to invest in local technology firms (suppose 50% of that money
>> was pushed to local firms to enhance their research and expand their
>> business???), we do need to invest in teaching technology in our schools.
>> 
>> Waithaka Ngigi
>> A1.iO
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 11:04 PM, Bitange Ndemo <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Military does invest in R&D through Universities.  Great ideas are
>>> incubated, supported financially and intellectually.  Academics mill
>>> around good ideas and help advance them.  That is why Zukerberg moved
>>> from
>>> Harvard to Silicon Valley where he was supported by the Universities
>>> around there, the Government through Small Business Administration
>>> financed the incubation.  Now the Government is reaping the benefits of
>>> taxes from thousands of employees working there.
>>> 
>>> Why do then debate so much on the merits and demerits of Konza.  India
>>> is
>>> building a Konza in every state.  Ushahidi was a great idea that we lost
>>> a
>>> chance to incubate and support its R&D plus financing its growth.
>>> Unfortunately, not many Kenyans know this great idea.  Universities that
>>> teach computer science hardly know new research areas to support the
>>> vibrant ICT activities in the country.  How do we build an effective
>>> triple helix?  How do we get the universities to do research that have a
>>> meaning to its people?
>>> 
>>> Ndemo.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Daktari,
>>>> 
>>>> Problem is, technology generally moves along for both military and
>>>> civilian
>>>> use. Modern day terrorists and organised criminals are more than a
>>> match
>>>> for full sovereign states electronic firepower. The only way
>>> military/law
>>>> enforcement can ensure 'monopoly' of technology is by investing lots
>>> in
>>>> R&D, which I don't think we as a country do!
>>>> 
>>>> Waithaka Ngigi
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Bitange Ndemo <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Robert,
>>>>> Nano technologies are here already.  Just like the Japanese
>>> miniaturized
>>>>> everything, we should nononize some products.  I will work with one
>>> that
>>>>> is a bit smaller.  Just imagine if we had one like that with night
>>>>> vision.
>>>>> We could not have destroyed the entire parking.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ndemo.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Daktari,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Is this what you where referring to when you mentioned an inzi?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5TdbMu8xc4
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> PS.  Encouraging gaming could be what saves us next time there is a
>>>>>> terrorist hostage situation
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Robert Yawe
>>>>>> KAY System Technologies Ltd
>>>>>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>>>>>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>>>>>> Kenya
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: Bitange Ndemo <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
>>>>>> To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
>>>>>> Cc: bitange at jambo.co.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, 23 September 2013, 16:07
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Have we failed the nation yet again?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Robert,
>>>>>> There is absolutely nothing anybody will have done with ICTs after
>>> the
>>>>>> terrorists stormed the Mall.  All IT gadgets worked properly.  CCTV
>>>>>> footage is there and was aired on TV yesterday.  The screening
>>> askaris
>>>>> had
>>>>>> no chance since the assailants forced their way in.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Perhaps what we need is more research to mount a camera on a fly
>>>>> (inzi)
>>>>>> with night vision to fly carefully within the terrorist hideout and
>>>>>> establish strategically on how to respond.  Some flies could be
>>> loaded
>>>>>> with sleeping gas to put assailants to sleep.  Drones do scan the
>>>>> horizon
>>>>>> giving military advance knowledge of the terrain.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Right now we should spend a few minutes to praise our uniformed
>>>>> forces.
>>>>>> They did a commendable job.  In bitterness I am still proud to be
>>>>> Kenyan.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ndemo.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As we console all those who where affected by the happenings at
>>> the
>>>>>>> Westgate Mall over the weekend do we remain blameless as an
>>> industry?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Robert Yawe
>>>>>>> KAY System Technologies Ltd
>>>>>>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>>>>>>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>>>>>>> Kenya
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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>>>> *Regards,*
>>>> 
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