[kictanet] Plots for sale

Thu Nov 21 14:27:23 EAT 2013

@Kamire,

where is the ICT connection here?

unless you mean we can find your plots on OLX :-)

walu.
jst fear you setting a precedent for everyone else to start selling anything and everything on this ICT platform and then folks will begin to un-subscribe enmasse.

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On Thu, 11/21/13, Thomas Kamire <tkamire at gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: [kictanet] Plots for sale
 To: jwalu at yahoo.com
 Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
 Date: Thursday, November 21, 2013, 12:21 PM

 Hi guy and
 selling 2 of my many plots at lukenya with title deeds. They
 are serviced plots with sewage, piped and and power already
 there if interested get in touch with. Prices are
 negotiable. 
 Yours truly
 Kamire
 Thomas 0722483253

 Sent from my iKamire network. 
 On Nov 19, 2013, at 21:16, Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com>
 wrote:

 The list is producing good citizen
 feedback. There should be a way to feed the input into
 government.
 Any technocrats in the list? Probably Prof.
 Wainaina, the DG of Vision 2030, whose KPIs are directly
 correlated to the performance of state projects should
 borrow from the list, even if he's a silent
 listener.

 ______________________
 Mwendwa Kivuva
 twitter.com/lordmwesh
 google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh

 On 19 November 2013
 13:36, James Mbugua <jgmbugua at gmail.com>
 wrote:

 Did somebody mention SS Mehta?
 Why this cowboy has never been permanently
 blacklisted I don't know. What in the hell is he doing
 on Waiyaki Way? And he doesn't even go past Gitaru yet
 he is supposed to go all the way to Rironi? He is always
 coming back over the same sections pretending to be doing
 much when he isn't.

 He is a relic from the Moi days and belongs in
 the same class with Kirinyaga, Nyoro, Mugoya and all those
 other cowboy contractors including the equally inept Kudhan
 Sigh who miraculously keeps getting new contracts after he
 has abandoned previous ones unfinished.

 James

 On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 4:19 PM,
 Mark Mwangi <mwangy at gmail.com>
 wrote:

 For the Chinese guys
 putting CCTVs on the cycle lane, someone approved it right?
 Some govt official decided that the design was a waste of
 space and it was a perfect space to put a post right? The
 contractor would not do that without being allowed by the
 council, govt or whichever body is incharge. 

 The day Uhuru will cycle to work and his
 ministers get on a matatu headed home then something will
 start to change. Till then none of our noise making is
 making sense to the guy seated in a Govt
 Mercedes. 

 On Tue, Nov
 19, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Rad! <conradakunga at gmail.com>
 wrote:

 What i
 find saddening in that in Kenya road users automatically
 means motorists. Zero consideration for cyclists and
 pedestrians. For instance if you are walking from town and
 want to go to Purshottam on foot, how do you do it without
 cheating death? 

 Compare and contrast Denmark where there is a
 very strong cycling culture. I see no reason why we
 can't have the same here, reducing pressure on both
 infrastructure, the environment and improving overall
 health

 http://www.visitdenmark.co.uk/en-gb/denmark/nature/cycling-denmark

 On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com>
 wrote:

 Interesting revelations coming through. Nice
 observation Conrad.
 There are these very good widen roads that have been
 build in Nairobi, Thika road, University Way, Ngara ring
 road, Pangani road, e.t.c. with pedestrian walks and
 cyclists ways. Just like what we see in developed countries.
 Very impressive.

 Interestingly, the Chinese guys installing CCTVs
 on the highways have seen it fit to fix the CCTV poles in
 the center of these cyclists and pedestrian walks as shown
 in these pictures. Total crap they are doing. I wonder if
 that can be accepted where they come from, or they consider
 us standard-less and shoddy.

 I had nowhere to rant but the CCTV is an ICT
 issue, and the process should be done correctly. I hope
 somebody somewhere in authority is listening.

 <15112013(001).jpg><15112013.jpg><15112013(003).jpg><15112013(002).jpg>

 ______________________
 Mwendwa Kivuva
 twitter.com/lordmwesh
 google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh

 On 19
 November 2013 09:54, Rad! <conradakunga at gmail.com>
 wrote:

 That would explain the ludicrous design of a
 single lane that is also a bus stage

 On Tue, Nov
 19, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi at gmail.com>
 wrote:

 We also have a Kenyan
 company doing flyovers and bridges for China Wu Yi (Lot 1)
 as a sub contractor and hired by the Japanese funder to do
 Yaya - Westlands Link (Motorways Construction Group)

 Then we also have the Kenyan firms behind
 Upperhill roads(if there is such a thing) (Mattan
 contractors) and re-carpeting of Waiyaki Way (SS
 Mehta). 

 The quality of the works is a matter of why you
 know and who is funding the project. It is easier to spend
 taxes :-)

 On Tuesday, 19 November 2013, Mark Mwangi  wrote:

 We have Kenyan companies building Highways in
 Botswana. They are led by Njoroges and Kamaus and Ochiengs.
 It is not a matter of local capacity but complacency and
 impunity. A contractor is paid according to milestones
 right? No delivered product no payment. Why would a
 contractor waste  years if he is not getting paid? Best
 incentive in my opinion. 

 On Tue, Nov
 19, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Emmanuel Khisa <oloo.khisa at googlemail.com>
 wrote:

 @ Mark, I
 do think that we would ever have heard roads done if
 ever

 we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how
 far we got

 during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km
 of a road

 for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one
 credit I
 would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg
 is that
 they actually did up the game...

 I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised
 above.

 On Tue, Nov
 19, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Emmanuel Khisa <oloo.khisa at googlemail.com>
 wrote:

 @ Mark, I do think that
 we would never have heard roads done if ever

 we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how
 far we got

 during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km
 of a road

 for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one
 credit I

 would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg
 is that

 they actually did up the game...

 I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised
 above.

 On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy at gmail.com> wrote:

 > I agree with Adam albeit partly. Running to make
 everything under the sun is

 > no a smart move. However building horizontal industries
 where products from

 > one industry feed another and by products are the base
 of another shoulfd be

 > encouraged. Building spare parts for local cars is an
 example.

 >

 > A knowledge economy is a good foundation but we still
 need to build and make

 > stuff. e.g Swiss chocolate, german cars, American
 Missiles, Chinese iPhones

 > etc. Am yet to see a stable economy that doesn't
 manufacture and export

 > physical goods.

 >

 >

 > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com> wrote:

 >>

 >> The first sentence does not lead to the second and
 third:

 >>

 >> "We cannot have high unemployment, and at the
 same time import clothes

 >> from Sri Lanka or mitumba, when we can grow cotton
 and make our clothes.  We

 >> must defy economic explanations on what works and
 what does not work.  If we

 >> deployed thousands of youth digitizing land
 records, we would reduce

 >> caseloads in courts, become more efficient, and
 create more wealth to grow

 >> our economy."

 >>

 >> Kenya should go towards counter-cyclical employment
 of youth doing

 >> productive infrastructure work: being teachers,
 building railroads,

 >> digitizing land records, etc...

 >>

 >> However, you can't forget Adam Smith who talked
 extensively of Comparative

 >> Advantage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage).
  Sri Lanka

 >> (or really Bangladesh) has a far more economical
 solution for producing

 >> cotton clothing than Kenya has.  This mostly
 has to do with the port of

 >> Mombassa being a stranglehold and the fact that a
 40M person economy (Kenya)

 >> doesn't have the same economy of scale as a
 billion person economy (a guess

 >> at the number of people a Bangladeshi factory can
 export to easily).

 >>

 >> Kenya is a small country and a small economy and if
 it wants to bring in

 >> more money and reduce unemployment, the solution is
 around creating an

 >> amazingly well-educated population and doing more
 knowledge work - not

 >> producing more clothing.

 >>

 >> --

 >> Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.io

 >> Musings: twitter.com/varud

 >> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson

 >>

 >>

 >> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com>

 >> wrote:

 >>>

 >>> Dr. Ndemo has struck a cord that has been
 played in this list

 >>> countless times before. I  remember him
 saying in another thread "you

 >>> cannot have unemployed youth yet we have
 countless garbage lining our

 >>> streets and estates!"

 >>>

 >>> His argument on us importing cloths yet we can
 do it here is basic

 >>> economic that any country can master. India
 went that way through the

 >>> leadership of Mahatma.

 >>>

 >>> But Dr. Ndemo, in the previous administration
 that you served so

 >>> ardently, the government shipped billions worth
 of capital on works

 >>> that could be done by Kenyans. I'm talking
 about the massive

 >>> infrastructure development that took place in
 the last 10years. That

 >>> capital could have done our unemployed
 generation justice if it was

 >>> utilized here home. I believe Kenyans can build
 decent roads, brides,

 >>> buildings and ports. What happened to national
 pride? It's the same

 >>> argument of importing cloths or planting cotton
 and producing our own

 >>> garments.

 >>>

 >>> We're still not out of the woods yet,
 remember the Korean firm

 >>> implementing the PKI?

 >>>

 >>> My cent-less

 >>>

 >>> On 18/11/2013, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni at gmail.com> wrote:

 >>> > A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo

 > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/oloo.khisa%40gmail.com

 >

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 >

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 --

 "Service to Mankind is the greatest form of
 service"...

 Oloo Khisa

 P.O. Box 24324-00100

 Nairobi

 0721321086/0731849128

 http://ke.linkedin.com/in/olookhisa

 -- 

 "Service to Mankind is the greatest form of
 service"...

 Oloo Khisa
 P.O. Box 24324-00100
 Nairobi
 0721321086/0731849128
 http://ke.linkedin.com/in/olookhisa

 -- 
 Regards,

 Mark Mwangi

 markmwangi.me.ke

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