[kictanet] Cyber Cop

Wed Mar 20 08:08:04 EAT 2013

Does asking the press to examine what they record before the
broadcast/publish mean that they are not free? Hmmmm.....

On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 5:08 AM, Dick Omondi <Dick.Omondi at ke.airtel.com>wrote:

> "Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be
> limited without being lost." Thomas Jefferson.
>
> On Mar 20, 2013, at 12:16 AM, "bitange at jambo.co.ke" <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
> wrote:
>
> Meshack,
> Kenya is a member of freedom on line.  This grouping is the one that was
> opposed to any on-line censor at the just concluded Dubai conference on
> ITRs. We cannot start to discuss on-line regulation as though it was
> broadcasting.  Let the internet be free.
>
> What we need is educating our people on some of this freedoms and counter
> measures to reduce built up anger.  If you ask some people why they are so
> angry with their countrymen, some will tell you it is because my brother
> was angry at them.
>
> The British colonized Americans for years and one of their strategies of
> control were to scare the Americans through military band playing without
> fear into their hide outs.  One day the Americans developed a strategy of
> wearing jungle green military gear and killed the British as they played
> their band into enemy territory.  This became a major military strategy
> innovation that we use even today.  The import of this is a call to duty.
> If some people have chosen to scare us in the social media, let us find
> our jungle green gear and destroy them.  We do not need to control
> internet to manage this.  You do not always have to fight and just like
> Kenny Rogers says; "You do not have to fight to be a man".
>
> Ndemo.
>
>
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > I speak of control at this point how does regulation fit in?
> > ------------------------------
> > On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:26 AM PDT Brian Munyao Longwe wrote:
> >
> >>True about Egypt, but that was to extend the Govts iron-grasp on the
> >>populace. Is there any country in Africa with as much civil liberty as
> >>Kenya? Let us not look the gift horse in the mouth...
> >>
> >>    cell: +254715964281
> >>#*****TRON LIVES*****#
> >>On Mar 19, 2013 4:44 PM, "meshack emakunat" <memakunat at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Just for thought Egypt shut down internet during the Arab uprising in
> >>> 2011.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 5:21 AM PDT Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >Brian,
> >>> >I agree with you that the insanity on social media has gone beyond
> >>> >mere expression or opinion. The gloves are so off. There are too many
> >>> >instances where people are commenting without regard for the rights
> >>> >and reputations of others. It is as if the various camps have brought
> >>> >out their best propaganda machinery...and it keeps getting nastier as
> >>> >the election/ petition proceeds. And the intolerance! Why on earth do
> >>> >we have to abuse someone for their opinion? Didn't our foreparents
> >>> >fight so hard for plurality?
> >>> >
> >>> >On agenda four, maybe we missed the bus at the truth and
> >>> >reconciliation stop. But all is not lost and it is just wrong for
> >>> >people to keep stirring ethnic/sectarian emotions in the name of
> >>> >communal anger. Haven't we always been angry? Why is the anger more
> >>> >urgent now?
> >>> >
> >>> >Action should be taken towards those inciting others. I agree with
> >>> >Macharia Gaitho, someone needs to stop this social media violence!
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >2013/3/19 Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>:
> >>> > Emmanuel,
> >>> >
> >>> > Thanks for setting me straight, this is clear evidence of the
> >>> ignorance
> >>> I
> >>> > alluded to as I began my previous post :)
> >>> >
> >>> > On a more serious note and once again, thank you so much for bringing
> >>> this
> >>> > out, Agenda Four is a very critical part of our Nationhood. As you
> >>> have
> >>> > pointed out, the media might seem to have lost focus, forgotten or
> >>> ignored
> >>> > it's importance.
> >>> >
> >>> > But on issues of such grave importance as the Agenda Four - couldn't
> >>> it
> >>> also
> >>> > be argued that all stakeholders have failed in their roles?
> >>> >
> >>> > The two principals
> >>> > International Civil Society
> >>> > Local Civil Society
> >>> > Various relevant organs of Government
> >>> > Legal Fraternity
> >>> > Media Houses
> >>> >
> >>> > Best regards,
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Brian
> >>> >
> >>> > On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Emmanuel Khisa <
> >>> oloo.khisa at googlemail.com>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Hi Brian,
> >>> >
> >>> > I did not refer to blackout on politicians.
> >>> >
> >>> > The media has been failing in their role as interrogators of the
> >>> deeper
> >>> > issues of Agenda four...Please note the following as regards the
> >>> national
> >>> > accord:
> >>> >
> >>> > The National Accord
> >>> >
> >>> > The two parties agreed to tackle four main agenda items to end the
> >>> > political crisis and address its underlying causes.
> >>> >
> >>> > Agenda Item 1: Immediate Action to Stop Violence and Restore
> >>> Fundamental
> >>> > Rights.
> >>> > Agenda Item 2: Addressing the Humanitarian Crisis, and Promoting
> >>> Healing
> >>> > and Reconciliation.
> >>> > Agenda Item 3: How to Overcome the Political Crisis (power sharing).
> >>> > Agenda Item 4: Tackling Long-term Issues.
> >>> >
> >>> > Agenda four addresses the long standing issues of Land, Equity and
> >>> other
> >>> > causative factors of ethnic violence ( PEV included). This does not
> >>> screem
> >>> > any politician's name, it simply means this so called Mantra of PEACE
> >>> has
> >>> > been used to cloud our collective psychie as a country. The problem
> >>> with
> >>> > this is that today you think Kenya is peaceful just because we are
> >>> able
> >>> to
> >>> > drive around Nairobi and go for our nyama choma sessions in Naivasha
> >>> or
> >>> > Kajiado...what we forget is that so far we have no report on the Tana
> >>> River
> >>> > Violence, Baragoi Massacre, Garrisa and NE province violence,
> >>> simmering
> >>> > conflicts in Kwale and the entire coast...We are all glued to our TVs
> >>> very
> >>> > ready to embrace "PEACE" while conviniently avoiding the topics
> >>> listed
> >>> as
> >>> > grievances...
> >>> >
> >>> > So Mr. Munyao, it is very critical that we begin to not use the
> >>> > responsibility of Cyber use as a pannacea for all the ills facing the
> >>> > country for ventilating we must late people ventilate..and the
> >>> institutions
> >>> > charged with these responsibilities must use the tones and trends of
> >>> > discussion online to map out issues that need addressing...and The
> >>> MEDIA
> >>> > must be key here....The Agenda Four items will not address themselve
> >>> and yet
> >>> > it is these issues..longstanding that will slow down the currently
> >>> raging
> >>> > tribal sentiments on the internet.
> >>> >
> >>> > My thoughts,
> >>> >
> >>> > On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <
> >>> blongwe at gmail.com>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Please excuse my ignorance but in responding to Emmanuel's input I
> >>> don't
> >>> >> see the relationship between media's black out on politicians and
> >>> the
> >>> >> insanity on social media.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Let's put this in context - the media blackout affects a select few
> >>> -
> >>> the
> >>> >> political elite who are looking for a platform to push their own
> >>> personal
> >>> >> and political agendas. The blackout has to a certain extent
> >>> protected
> >>> >> Kenyans from their inflammatory statements.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On the other hand, the social media activity involves hundreds, if
> >>> not
> >>> >> thousands of individuals who are expressing their personal opinions
> >>> (as
> >>> >> negative and unsavoury as those might be). I place emphasis here on
> >>> >> *expressing their opinion*. The fact that they are using social
> >>> media
> >>> as one
> >>> >> of the channels where their opinion gets aired is simply that, a
> >>> matter of
> >>> >> fact. I am sure that they express the same opinion in their homes,
> >>> over
> >>> >> their phones, in their hair salons, bars, classrooms, gyms
> >>> etc...This
> >>> is
> >>> >> because the opinion belongs to them.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Let us not be naive and try to separate the opinion from the
> >>> individual
> >>> >> behind it. That to me, is the more important issue. A tribal tirade
> >>> on
> >>> >> social media is indicative of a tribal opinion held by an individual
> >>> with
> >>> >> tribal beliefs. Solve the basic problem of promoting Kenyanness,
> >>> unity
> >>> and a
> >>> >> non-tribal outlook and I believe that strides begin to be made
> >>> towards
> >>> >> solving the problem.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> My two cents,
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Brian
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Edith Adera <eadera at idrc.ca>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> John F. Kennedy - â€œThose who make peaceful revolution impossible
> >>> will
> >>> >> make violent revolution inevitableâ€
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> From: Emmanuel Khisa [mailto:oloo.khisa at googlemail.com<oloo.khisa at googlemail.com>
> ]
> >>> >> Sent: March 19, 2013 9:50 AM
> >>> >> To: Edith Adera
> >>> >> Cc: oloo.khisa at gmail.com; KICTAnet - Media Editors Forum; KICTAnet
> >>> ICT
> >>> >> Policy Discussions
> >>> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Cyber Cop
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> +1,
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Indeed cyber responsiblilty is not a standalone initiative...cyber
> >>> >> exists as a channel for expressing the societal views and does not
> >>> therefore
> >>> >> exist on its on...
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> The day we realise that gagging the traditional media does not work
> >>> in
> >>> >> the 21st century internet age we will start making steps to tackle
> >>> the
> >>> >> difficult issues the SOUL of the country is struggling with.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> We can make noise about responsible internet use but for as long as
> >>> the
> >>> >> media blacks out channels of communications, blogsphere will remain
> >>> the only
> >>> >> media of expression for the populace...
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> IMHO we are a country that is quick to bury its head in the sand and
> >>> now
> >>> >> we are left with a simmering problem on Agenda 4 which remain
> >>> unattended to
> >>> >> and which is awaiting an opportune time to explode..
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Regard
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Edith Adera <eadera at idrc.ca>
> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Bwana Ndemo,
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> As I reflected on your unenviable job as a â€œcyber copâ€ (watching
> >>> you on
> >>> >> The Trend last Friday) and stumbled on this article by Gaitho
> >>> entitled
> >>> â€œThe
> >>> >> demented postings on social media must stop before blood flowsâ€
> >>> >>
> http://www.nation.co.ke/blogs/-/446672/1723754/-/ee6vonz/-/index.html
> >>> it
> >>> >> occurred to me that we probably need something deeper, while we must
> >>> address
> >>> >> the madness online.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Youâ€™re on record here advocating for policy/decision-making based
> >>> on
> >>> >> empirical/research evidence. I recall your spirited campaign about
> >>> the
> >>> >> Cancer Bill that MPs excitedly passed without the benefit of
> >>> scientific
> >>> >> evidence as to â€œthe actual cause of cancers in Kenyaâ€ . You
> >>> argued that
> >>> you
> >>> >> wished they did not get excited about addressing the symptoms of the
> >>> >> problem, but the root cause.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> As you crack down on cyber haters (to address the symptoms of the
> >>> >> problem), could we also ask ourselves a couple of questions
> >>> (listers,
> >>> feel
> >>> >> free to add more questions) to get to the ROOT CAUSE of this ANGER:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> *why are people so angry?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> *is this anger only in cyberspace?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> *If not, to what extent is it a reflection of simmering
> >>> (unexpressed)
> >>> >> anger on the ground?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> *what are the implications of unexpressed anger?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> *why are people comfortable to express such deep anger online and
> >>> not
> >>> >> offline? What are they afraid of?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> *How can long-lasting co-existence be achieved, once and for all?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> * etc etc etc
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Someone has work to do as we try to address the short-term symptoms
> >>> â€“
> >>> is
> >>> >> it the academic community? or pollsters can have a post-election job
> >>> to do?
> >>> >> I donâ€™t know, but the RROT CAUSE, we must find including the
> >>> solutions.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Reflective Edith
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
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> >>> >>
> >>> >>
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> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Oloo Khisa
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> >>> > Nairobi
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