[kictanet] Cyber Cop

Tue Mar 19 17:26:31 EAT 2013

True about Egypt, but that was to extend the Govts iron-grasp on the
populace. Is there any country in Africa with as much civil liberty as
Kenya? Let us not look the gift horse in the mouth...

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On Mar 19, 2013 4:44 PM, "meshack emakunat" <memakunat at yahoo.com> wrote:

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>
> Just for thought Egypt shut down internet during the Arab uprising in 2011.
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>
> ------------------------------
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 5:21 AM PDT Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) wrote:
>
> >Brian,
> >I agree with you that the insanity on social media has gone beyond
> >mere expression or opinion. The gloves are so off. There are too many
> >instances where people are commenting without regard for the rights
> >and reputations of others. It is as if the various camps have brought
> >out their best propaganda machinery...and it keeps getting nastier as
> >the election/ petition proceeds. And the intolerance! Why on earth do
> >we have to abuse someone for their opinion? Didn't our foreparents
> >fight so hard for plurality?
> >
> >On agenda four, maybe we missed the bus at the truth and
> >reconciliation stop. But all is not lost and it is just wrong for
> >people to keep stirring ethnic/sectarian emotions in the name of
> >communal anger. Haven't we always been angry? Why is the anger more
> >urgent now?
> >
> >Action should be taken towards those inciting others. I agree with
> >Macharia Gaitho, someone needs to stop this social media violence!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >2013/3/19 Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>:
> >> Emmanuel,
> >>
> >> Thanks for setting me straight, this is clear evidence of the ignorance
> I
> >> alluded to as I began my previous post :)
> >>
> >> On a more serious note and once again, thank you so much for bringing
> this
> >> out, Agenda Four is a very critical part of our Nationhood. As you have
> >> pointed out, the media might seem to have lost focus, forgotten or
> ignored
> >> it's importance.
> >>
> >> But on issues of such grave importance as the Agenda Four - couldn't it
> also
> >> be argued that all stakeholders have failed in their roles?
> >>
> >> The two principals
> >> International Civil Society
> >> Local Civil Society
> >> Various relevant organs of Government
> >> Legal Fraternity
> >> Media Houses
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >>
> >> Brian
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Emmanuel Khisa <
> oloo.khisa at googlemail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Brian,
> >>
> >> I did not refer to blackout on politicians.
> >>
> >> The media has been failing in their role as interrogators of the deeper
> >> issues of Agenda four...Please note the following as regards the
> national
> >> accord:
> >>
> >> The National Accord
> >>
> >> The two parties agreed to tackle four main agenda items to end the
> >> political crisis and address its underlying causes.
> >>
> >> Agenda Item 1: Immediate Action to Stop Violence and Restore Fundamental
> >> Rights.
> >> Agenda Item 2: Addressing the Humanitarian Crisis, and Promoting Healing
> >> and Reconciliation.
> >> Agenda Item 3: How to Overcome the Political Crisis (power sharing).
> >> Agenda Item 4: Tackling Long-term Issues.
> >>
> >> Agenda four addresses the long standing issues of Land, Equity and other
> >> causative factors of ethnic violence ( PEV included). This does not
> screem
> >> any politician's name, it simply means this so called Mantra of PEACE
> has
> >> been used to cloud our collective psychie as a country. The problem with
> >> this is that today you think Kenya is peaceful just because we are able
> to
> >> drive around Nairobi and go for our nyama choma sessions in Naivasha or
> >> Kajiado...what we forget is that so far we have no report on the Tana
> River
> >> Violence, Baragoi Massacre, Garrisa and NE province violence, simmering
> >> conflicts in Kwale and the entire coast...We are all glued to our TVs
> very
> >> ready to embrace "PEACE" while conviniently avoiding the topics listed
> as
> >> grievances...
> >>
> >> So Mr. Munyao, it is very critical that we begin to not use the
> >> responsibility of Cyber use as a pannacea for all the ills facing the
> >> country for ventilating we must late people ventilate..and the
> institutions
> >> charged with these responsibilities must use the tones and trends of
> >> discussion online to map out issues that need addressing...and The MEDIA
> >> must be key here....The Agenda Four items will not address themselve
> and yet
> >> it is these issues..longstanding that will slow down the currently
> raging
> >> tribal sentiments on the internet.
> >>
> >> My thoughts,
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <
> blongwe at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Please excuse my ignorance but in responding to Emmanuel's input I
> don't
> >>> see the relationship between media's black out on politicians and the
> >>> insanity on social media.
> >>>
> >>> Let's put this in context - the media blackout affects a select few -
> the
> >>> political elite who are looking for a platform to push their own
> personal
> >>> and political agendas. The blackout has to a certain extent protected
> >>> Kenyans from their inflammatory statements.
> >>>
> >>> On the other hand, the social media activity involves hundreds, if not
> >>> thousands of individuals who are expressing their personal opinions (as
> >>> negative and unsavoury as those might be). I place emphasis here on
> >>> *expressing their opinion*. The fact that they are using social media
> as one
> >>> of the channels where their opinion gets aired is simply that, a
> matter of
> >>> fact. I am sure that they express the same opinion in their homes, over
> >>> their phones, in their hair salons, bars, classrooms, gyms etc...This
> is
> >>> because the opinion belongs to them.
> >>>
> >>> Let us not be naive and try to separate the opinion from the individual
> >>> behind it. That to me, is the more important issue. A tribal tirade on
> >>> social media is indicative of a tribal opinion held by an individual
> with
> >>> tribal beliefs. Solve the basic problem of promoting Kenyanness, unity
> and a
> >>> non-tribal outlook and I believe that strides begin to be made towards
> >>> solving the problem.
> >>>
> >>> My two cents,
> >>>
> >>> Brian
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Edith Adera <eadera at idrc.ca> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> John F. Kennedy - “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will
> >>> make violent revolution inevitable”
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Emmanuel Khisa [mailto:oloo.khisa at googlemail.com]
> >>> Sent: March 19, 2013 9:50 AM
> >>> To: Edith Adera
> >>> Cc: oloo.khisa at gmail.com; KICTAnet - Media Editors Forum; KICTAnet ICT
> >>> Policy Discussions
> >>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Cyber Cop
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> +1,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Indeed cyber responsiblilty is not a standalone initiative...cyber
> >>> exists as a channel for expressing the societal views and does not
> therefore
> >>> exist on its on...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The day we realise that gagging the traditional media does not work in
> >>> the 21st century internet age we will start making steps to tackle the
> >>> difficult issues the SOUL of the country is struggling with.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> We can make noise about responsible internet use but for as long as the
> >>> media blacks out channels of communications, blogsphere will remain
> the only
> >>> media of expression for the populace...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> IMHO we are a country that is quick to bury its head in the sand and
> now
> >>> we are left with a simmering problem on Agenda 4 which remain
> unattended to
> >>> and which is awaiting an opportune time to explode..
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Regard
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Edith Adera <eadera at idrc.ca> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Bwana Ndemo,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> As I reflected on your unenviable job as a “cyber cop” (watching you on
> >>> The Trend last Friday) and stumbled on this article by Gaitho entitled
> “The
> >>> demented postings on social media must stop before blood flows”
> >>> http://www.nation.co.ke/blogs/-/446672/1723754/-/ee6vonz/-/index.html it
> >>> occurred to me that we probably need something deeper, while we must
> address
> >>> the madness online.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> You’re on record here advocating for policy/decision-making based on
> >>> empirical/research evidence. I recall your spirited campaign about the
> >>> Cancer Bill that MPs excitedly passed without the benefit of scientific
> >>> evidence as to “the actual cause of cancers in Kenya”. You argued that
> you
> >>> wished they did not get excited about addressing the symptoms of the
> >>> problem, but the root cause.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> As you crack down on cyber haters (to address the symptoms of the
> >>> problem), could we also ask ourselves a couple of questions (listers,
> feel
> >>> free to add more questions) to get to the ROOT CAUSE of this ANGER:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *why are people so angry?
> >>>
> >>> *is this anger only in cyberspace?
> >>>
> >>> *If not, to what extent is it a reflection of simmering (unexpressed)
> >>> anger on the ground?
> >>>
> >>> *what are the implications of unexpressed anger?
> >>>
> >>> *why are people comfortable to express such deep anger online and not
> >>> offline? What are they afraid of?
> >>>
> >>> *How can long-lasting co-existence be achieved, once and for all?
> >>>
> >>> * etc etc etc
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Someone has work to do as we try to address the short-term symptoms –
> is
> >>> it the academic community? or pollsters can have a post-election job
> to do?
> >>> I don’t know, but the RROT CAUSE, we must find including the solutions.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Reflective Edith
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>
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> >
> >
> >--
> >Grace L.N. Mutung'u (Bomu)
> >Kenya
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