[kictanet] Digital migration and mass ignorance

Andy G andy.gesora at gmail.com
Sun Jan 13 18:09:31 EAT 2013


At times you wonder whether making "noise" is just a matter of being
relevant, I highly doubt Cofek represents me as a consumer... Not that i am
biased, but on what basis / agreement with the consumer does Cofek portend
to be the rep?

On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>wrote:

> Arbitration works where two parties that had an agreement disagree.
>
> In this matter, COFEK has cooked up grievances and created a problem where
> there wasnt one. How will an arbitrator help? Maybe a psychiatrist is what
> is needed...
>
> Mblayo
>
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> On Jan 13, 2013 4:40 PM, "Lucy Kimani" <lkimani at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Question is Arbitration an option?
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jan 13, 2013, at 12:57 AM, bitange at jambo.co.ke wrote:
>>
>> > Robert,
>> > We are setting a bad precendence here that most people did not bother to
>> > ask why the entire world is migrating to Digital.  No one seems to
>> > understand that we are behind schedule already.  It took Britain and US
>> > eight years to fully migrate.  Indeed the minimum time you need to fully
>> > migrate is five years.  We have three years remaining before ITU
>> switches
>> > off.  Why does Africa always seek for extensions even where we do not
>> need
>> > any.  India whose per capita income is similar to ours is moving without
>> > law suits.  I am worried about us that even if God were to give us Jesus
>> > time table of his second coming, we shall see people asking that we get
>> > extra time.  To be a competitive nation we must move with the rest.
>> >
>> > This hopeless agenda by cofek will delay our LTE initiatives and make
>> > Kenya a laggard in matters ICT when we have become the envy of many
>> > nations.
>> >
>> >
>> > Ndemo.
>> >
>> >> Tanzania is definitely a progress nation that will definitely beat us
>> to
>> >> the industrialization finish line, now you understand why they are
>> >> avoiding total market integration as this do not want regressive &
>> >> litigious Kenyans going there to complicate  a system in motion
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Robert Yawe
>> >> KAY System Technologies Ltd
>> >> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>> >> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>> >> Kenya
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ________________________________
>> >> From: Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com>
>> >> To: robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
>> >> Cc: Kictanet Mail list <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> >> Sent: Friday, 11 January 2013, 14:46
>> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital migration and mass ignorance
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> IN SUMMARY
>> >>    * The five members states had agreed to go digital three years
>> ahead of
>> >> global schedule to ensure that they have ample time to fix any
>> unforeseen
>> >> glitches and enable them comply with 2015 global deadline.
>> >>    * However, only Tanzania adhered to the deadline by moving
>> Dar-es-Salaam
>> >> to the new system.
>> >>    * Policy makers say the move will give Tanzania an advantage in
>> >> correcting technical hurdles that the country may encounter along the
>> way
>> >> as it migrates other part of the country.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> A survey by Xinhua in Tanzania reveals that five out of 20 people they
>> >> interviewed in Arusha cannot access their favourite free-to- air
>> channels
>> >> since the dealers of the gadgets mostly pay television providers who
>> are
>> >> asking for a monthly fee Tsh9000(Sh489).
>> >> Only five out of 20 people interviewed in Dar es Salaam by Xinhua said
>> >> they have access to television broadcasts.
>> >> “We only have useless boxes in our living rooms for we cannot access
>> any
>> >> stations without a decoder,” George Kaniki of Mbezi Louis, Dar es
>> >> Salaam, said in an interview.
>> >> According to a programme by the Tanzania Communications Regulatory
>> >> Authority (TCRA), regions set to follow in the switch- off will be
>> Dodoma
>> >> and Tanga, whose analogue signals will be deactivated by the end of
>> this
>> >> month.
>> >>
>> http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Dar-offers-hard-lessons-on-switch-to-digital-TV/-/1248928/1661608/-/item/1/-/c7587vz/-/index.html
>> >>
>> >> On 11 January 2013 13:26, Henry Maina <henry at article19.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Dear All,
>> >>>
>> >>> Find some quick and raw thoughts after the decision of the Court
>> today on
>> >>> the phased digital switchover.
>> >>>
>> >>> ARTICLE 19 believes in the promise of digital switchover but also
>> clearly
>> >>> understands that we must develop proper measures to mitigate any
>> results
>> >>> of the transition that may undermine  diversity, openness and access.
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards
>> >>>
>> >>> HENRY O. MAINA
>> >>> DIRECTOR
>> >>> ARTICLE 19 KENYA/EASTERN AFRICA
>> >>> P O BOX 2653,00100
>> >>> NAIROBI
>> >>> TEL:+254 (20) 3862230/2
>> >>> FAX:+254 (20) 3862231
>> >>> EMAIL: henry at article19.org
>> >>>
>> >>> ________________________________________
>> >>> From: kictanet
>> >>> [kictanet-bounces+henry=article19.org at lists.kictanet.or.ke] on
>> behalf of
>> >>> Stephen Mutoro [smutoro at yahoo.com]
>> >>> Sent: 19 December 2012 09:20 PM
>> >>> To: Henry Maina
>> >>> Cc: Kictanet Mail list
>> >>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital migration and mass ignorance
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks for thinking for consumers in a more broad and realistic
>> spectrum
>> >>> (including rural proletariats) beyond the minority but noisy middle to
>> >>> higher income Nairobi CBD/Upper Hill techies  who are obsessed about
>> 4+G
>> >>> when millions of others can't access 2-G. There is nothing like "mass
>> >>> ignorance" or "mass intelligence" on a matter of human/consumer
>> rights as
>> >>> ably articulated within Consumer Protection Act, 2012 (which took
>> effect
>> >>> on December 13).
>> >>>
>> >>> Stephen Mutoro
>> >>> www.cofek.co.ke
>> >>>
>> >>> On Dec 12, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Digital broadcast is great, no doubt about that, and the benefits are
>> >>>> boundless. But let us not be elitist in the way we conduct the
>> >>>> exercise.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You can free the airwaves, and create thousands of digital channels
>> >>>> and jobs, but if I in Kibera and Mathare, I cannot afford to buy a
>> >>>> setbox in the next year, I will be forced to use by TVbox as a stool.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Let those with money migrate, and let the poor enjoy the poor quality
>> >>>> analog signal in peace until set boxes are dirt cheap.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On the other hand, to reach a consensus, give us cheap subsidized
>> >>>> digital set boxes, say at 500bob, marked GoK, and give us adequate
>> >>>> time to buy them.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Remember, 2000bob is my dinner for a month.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You switched off my phone, which I bought with hard earned cash, then
>> >>>> you switch of my TV! Next you will switch of my radio, then ...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 12/12/2012, bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke> wrote:
>> >>>>> Listers,
>> >>>>> Consumer Federation of Kenya (COFEK) has gone to court to stop the
>> >>>>> planned
>> >>>>> Digital Switchover in Nairobi at the end of this month.  This is
>> most
>> >>>>> unfortunate considering the fact that the current analogue broadcast
>> >>>>> has
>> >>>>> been the most discriminating.  Majority of Kenyans have not seen the
>> >>>>> level
>> >>>>> of communication that Digital offers (this is what the constitution
>> >>>>> demands).  In the new platform we have seen more vernacular channels
>> >>>>> delivering news in a language that people understand and relate to.
>> >>>>>  It
>> >>>>> therefore surprises me when an organization such as COFEK moves to
>> >>>>> court
>> >>>>> to protect an elitist broadcast platform.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Further every one new channel creates more than thirty new jobs.
>> >>>>>  There
>> >>>>> are more than one hundred and fifty new applications awaiting
>> >>>>> clearance to
>> >>>>> start digital broadcast.  Twenty of these are already on air.  If we
>> >>>>> get
>> >>>>> two hundred new broadcasters, we shall have achieved our quest for
>> >>>>> having
>> >>>>> a pluralistic and diversified broadcast environment.  In whose
>> >>>>> interest is
>> >>>>> COFEK advancing the agenda of maintaining monopolistic practices in
>> >>>>> Kenyan
>> >>>>> Media? Does COFEK really understands the seriousness of unemployment
>> >>>>> in
>> >>>>> Kenya?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The cost of not migrating is far too great than biting the bullet
>> now
>> >>>>> and
>> >>>>> enable frequency spectrum to be used in more productive and
>> inclusive
>> >>>>> manner.  The benefits of mobile operators moving from 2G to 3G are
>> >>>>> glaring.  We need to scale up to 4G and create a robust last mile
>> >>>>> that
>> >>>>> will reduce the rural urban digital divide; that will create an
>> >>>>> enabling
>> >>>>> playing field when we start delivering new local content to schools
>> >>>>> country-wide.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Most of the world has migrated and they fully understand why we need
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> free up spectrum. EAC member states agreed on the December 31st
>> >>>>> deadline
>> >>>>> and Tanzania for example has committed itself to this agreed
>> deadline
>> >>>>> despite not having a completed the national roll-out of the digital
>> >>>>> signal. In Kenya we have adopted a phased plan starting from
>> Nairobi.
>> >>>>> Technology changes every six months and Kenya must remain at the
>> >>>>> technological edge in order to remain the true hub of Africa.  We
>> >>>>> seem to
>> >>>>> be exercising freedom without any responsibility.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Ndemo.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Hi,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> This is where we are going wrong, the digital migration has nothing
>> >>>>>> to do
>> >>>>>> with digital TV sets its about how the signal will be transmitted,
>> >>>>>> please
>> >>>>>> try and see the bigger picture here.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> When we moved from analogue internet connectivity where you needed
>> a
>> >>>>>> modem
>> >>>>>> to the digital transmission where you needed a DTU/ADSL/Dongle why
>> >>>>>> didn't
>> >>>>>> you please with the government to stop the importation of Pentium
>> >>>>>> processor based computers or 14" monitors or AT keyboards so that
>> >>>>>> users
>> >>>>>> could transition?  If you remember the ISPs never even gave us a
>> >>>>>> transition period and some never even implemented analogue
>> >>>>>> connectivity.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> This is the same case with the digital TV migration, you do not
>> need
>> >>>>>> a
>> >>>>>> digital TV to benefit from the new method of transmission all that
>> >>>>>> you
>> >>>>>> are
>> >>>>>> changing is the equivalent of your analogue modem with a digital
>> >>>>>> receiver
>> >>>>>> and nothing more, also remember that this transition is a world
>> wide
>> >>>>>> project and it would be foolhardy to try and stop the oncoming
>> train.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> As Kenyans, we have proven time and time again that we are
>> resilient
>> >>>>>> and
>> >>>>>> innovative, we turned off "fake" phones and on the following day
>> they
>> >>>>>> where getting reactivated thanks to the power of google, turn off
>> the
>> >>>>>> analogue signal tomorrow and we shall have 500/- decoders available
>> >>>>>> for
>> >>>>>> sale along the streets of Nairobi, keep postponing the switchoff
>> and
>> >>>>>> there
>> >>>>>> will be no meaning uptake of the digital devices, have you
>> registered
>> >>>>>> for
>> >>>>>> election yet?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> All this noise from the entrenched media houses that we are
>> >>>>>> propagating
>> >>>>>> has nothing to do with if Kenyans with black and white TVs can
>> afford
>> >>>>>> to
>> >>>>>> buy the decoder but more on trying to delay the shift of
>> broadcasting
>> >>>>>> power to a more open platform, so before you come to the defense of
>> >>>>>> Linus
>> >>>>>> and his ilk find out whose agenda you are promoting, instead of
>> >>>>>> coming
>> >>>>>> forward and responding to the discussion going on here of which I
>> am
>> >>>>>> sure
>> >>>>>> they are listening, they send mercenaries .
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Dr. Ndemo, I again say kudos and tell you keep the course and do
>> what
>> >>>>>> is
>> >>>>>> right for the Nation and avoid being distracted by those with
>> selfish
>> >>>>>> agendas, deliver on this and Konza has a better chance of seeing
>> the
>> >>>>>> light
>> >>>>>> of day.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Regards
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Robert Yawe
>> >>>>>> KAY System Technologies Ltd
>> >>>>>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>> >>>>>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>> >>>>>> Kenya
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> ________________________________
>> >>>>>> From: meshack emakunat <memakunat at yahoo.com>
>> >>>>>> To: robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
>> >>>>>> Cc: Meshack <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2012, 16:48
>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital migration and mass ignorance
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Dear list
>> >>>>>> I read this thread and all i see is the "the cart before the
>> horse".
>> >>>>>> I
>> >>>>>> believe Mr gitahi was referring to affordability rather
>> compatibility
>> >>>>>> and
>> >>>>>> adaptability. @Robert, don't you think Kenyans should be given
>> enough
>> >>>>>> time
>> >>>>>> to migrate rather than have a paradigm shift in tech use. I think
>> >>>>>> that we
>> >>>>>> should ban the importation of analog TV as somebody suggested
>> earlier
>> >>>>>> then
>> >>>>>> will have a gradual change till 2015
>> >>>>>> Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android
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