[kictanet] Digital migration and mass ignorance

Sun Jan 13 16:50:13 EAT 2013

Arbitration works where two parties that had an agreement disagree.

In this matter, COFEK has cooked up grievances and created a problem where
there wasnt one. How will an arbitrator help? Maybe a psychiatrist is what
is needed...

Mblayo

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On Jan 13, 2013 4:40 PM, "Lucy Kimani" <lkimani at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Question is Arbitration an option?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 13, 2013, at 12:57 AM, bitange at jambo.co.ke wrote:
>
> > Robert,
> > We are setting a bad precendence here that most people did not bother to
> > ask why the entire world is migrating to Digital.  No one seems to
> > understand that we are behind schedule already.  It took Britain and US
> > eight years to fully migrate.  Indeed the minimum time you need to fully
> > migrate is five years.  We have three years remaining before ITU switches
> > off.  Why does Africa always seek for extensions even where we do not
> need
> > any.  India whose per capita income is similar to ours is moving without
> > law suits.  I am worried about us that even if God were to give us Jesus
> > time table of his second coming, we shall see people asking that we get
> > extra time.  To be a competitive nation we must move with the rest.
> >
> > This hopeless agenda by cofek will delay our LTE initiatives and make
> > Kenya a laggard in matters ICT when we have become the envy of many
> > nations.
> >
> >
> > Ndemo.
> >
> >> Tanzania is definitely a progress nation that will definitely beat us to
> >> the industrialization finish line, now you understand why they are
> >> avoiding total market integration as this do not want regressive &
> >> litigious Kenyans going there to complicate  a system in motion
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Robert Yawe
> >> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> >> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> >> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> >> Kenya
> >>
> >>
> >> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com>
> >> To: robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
> >> Cc: Kictanet Mail list <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >> Sent: Friday, 11 January 2013, 14:46
> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital migration and mass ignorance
> >>
> >>
> >> IN SUMMARY
> >>    * The five members states had agreed to go digital three years ahead
> of
> >> global schedule to ensure that they have ample time to fix any
> unforeseen
> >> glitches and enable them comply with 2015 global deadline.
> >>    * However, only Tanzania adhered to the deadline by moving
> Dar-es-Salaam
> >> to the new system.
> >>    * Policy makers say the move will give Tanzania an advantage in
> >> correcting technical hurdles that the country may encounter along the
> way
> >> as it migrates other part of the country.
> >>
> >>
> >> A survey by Xinhua in Tanzania reveals that five out of 20 people they
> >> interviewed in Arusha cannot access their favourite free-to- air
> channels
> >> since the dealers of the gadgets mostly pay television providers who are
> >> asking for a monthly fee Tsh9000(Sh489).
> >> Only five out of 20 people interviewed in Dar es Salaam by Xinhua said
> >> they have access to television broadcasts.
> >> “We only have useless boxes in our living rooms for we cannot access any
> >> stations without a decoder,” George Kaniki of Mbezi Louis, Dar es
> >> Salaam, said in an interview.
> >> According to a programme by the Tanzania Communications Regulatory
> >> Authority (TCRA), regions set to follow in the switch- off will be
> Dodoma
> >> and Tanga, whose analogue signals will be deactivated by the end of this
> >> month.
> >>
> http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Dar-offers-hard-lessons-on-switch-to-digital-TV/-/1248928/1661608/-/item/1/-/c7587vz/-/index.html
> >>
> >> On 11 January 2013 13:26, Henry Maina <henry at article19.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear All,
> >>>
> >>> Find some quick and raw thoughts after the decision of the Court today
> on
> >>> the phased digital switchover.
> >>>
> >>> ARTICLE 19 believes in the promise of digital switchover but also
> clearly
> >>> understands that we must develop proper measures to mitigate any
> results
> >>> of the transition that may undermine  diversity, openness and access.
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>>
> >>> HENRY O. MAINA
> >>> DIRECTOR
> >>> ARTICLE 19 KENYA/EASTERN AFRICA
> >>> P O BOX 2653,00100
> >>> NAIROBI
> >>> TEL:+254 (20) 3862230/2
> >>> FAX:+254 (20) 3862231
> >>> EMAIL: henry at article19.org
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________________
> >>> From: kictanet
> >>> [kictanet-bounces+henry=article19.org at lists.kictanet.or.ke] on behalf
> of
> >>> Stephen Mutoro [smutoro at yahoo.com]
> >>> Sent: 19 December 2012 09:20 PM
> >>> To: Henry Maina
> >>> Cc: Kictanet Mail list
> >>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital migration and mass ignorance
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for thinking for consumers in a more broad and realistic
> spectrum
> >>> (including rural proletariats) beyond the minority but noisy middle to
> >>> higher income Nairobi CBD/Upper Hill techies  who are obsessed about
> 4+G
> >>> when millions of others can't access 2-G. There is nothing like "mass
> >>> ignorance" or "mass intelligence" on a matter of human/consumer rights
> as
> >>> ably articulated within Consumer Protection Act, 2012 (which took
> effect
> >>> on December 13).
> >>>
> >>> Stephen Mutoro
> >>> www.cofek.co.ke
> >>>
> >>> On Dec 12, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Digital broadcast is great, no doubt about that, and the benefits are
> >>>> boundless. But let us not be elitist in the way we conduct the
> >>>> exercise.
> >>>>
> >>>> You can free the airwaves, and create thousands of digital channels
> >>>> and jobs, but if I in Kibera and Mathare, I cannot afford to buy a
> >>>> setbox in the next year, I will be forced to use by TVbox as a stool.
> >>>>
> >>>> Let those with money migrate, and let the poor enjoy the poor quality
> >>>> analog signal in peace until set boxes are dirt cheap.
> >>>>
> >>>> On the other hand, to reach a consensus, give us cheap subsidized
> >>>> digital set boxes, say at 500bob, marked GoK, and give us adequate
> >>>> time to buy them.
> >>>>
> >>>> Remember, 2000bob is my dinner for a month.
> >>>>
> >>>> You switched off my phone, which I bought with hard earned cash, then
> >>>> you switch of my TV! Next you will switch of my radio, then ...
> >>>>
> >>>> On 12/12/2012, bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke> wrote:
> >>>>> Listers,
> >>>>> Consumer Federation of Kenya (COFEK) has gone to court to stop the
> >>>>> planned
> >>>>> Digital Switchover in Nairobi at the end of this month.  This is most
> >>>>> unfortunate considering the fact that the current analogue broadcast
> >>>>> has
> >>>>> been the most discriminating.  Majority of Kenyans have not seen the
> >>>>> level
> >>>>> of communication that Digital offers (this is what the constitution
> >>>>> demands).  In the new platform we have seen more vernacular channels
> >>>>> delivering news in a language that people understand and relate to.
> >>>>>  It
> >>>>> therefore surprises me when an organization such as COFEK moves to
> >>>>> court
> >>>>> to protect an elitist broadcast platform.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Further every one new channel creates more than thirty new jobs.
> >>>>>  There
> >>>>> are more than one hundred and fifty new applications awaiting
> >>>>> clearance to
> >>>>> start digital broadcast.  Twenty of these are already on air.  If we
> >>>>> get
> >>>>> two hundred new broadcasters, we shall have achieved our quest for
> >>>>> having
> >>>>> a pluralistic and diversified broadcast environment.  In whose
> >>>>> interest is
> >>>>> COFEK advancing the agenda of maintaining monopolistic practices in
> >>>>> Kenyan
> >>>>> Media? Does COFEK really understands the seriousness of unemployment
> >>>>> in
> >>>>> Kenya?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The cost of not migrating is far too great than biting the bullet now
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> enable frequency spectrum to be used in more productive and inclusive
> >>>>> manner.  The benefits of mobile operators moving from 2G to 3G are
> >>>>> glaring.  We need to scale up to 4G and create a robust last mile
> >>>>> that
> >>>>> will reduce the rural urban digital divide; that will create an
> >>>>> enabling
> >>>>> playing field when we start delivering new local content to schools
> >>>>> country-wide.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Most of the world has migrated and they fully understand why we need
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> free up spectrum. EAC member states agreed on the December 31st
> >>>>> deadline
> >>>>> and Tanzania for example has committed itself to this agreed deadline
> >>>>> despite not having a completed the national roll-out of the digital
> >>>>> signal. In Kenya we have adopted a phased plan starting from Nairobi.
> >>>>> Technology changes every six months and Kenya must remain at the
> >>>>> technological edge in order to remain the true hub of Africa.  We
> >>>>> seem to
> >>>>> be exercising freedom without any responsibility.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ndemo.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This is where we are going wrong, the digital migration has nothing
> >>>>>> to do
> >>>>>> with digital TV sets its about how the signal will be transmitted,
> >>>>>> please
> >>>>>> try and see the bigger picture here.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> When we moved from analogue internet connectivity where you needed a
> >>>>>> modem
> >>>>>> to the digital transmission where you needed a DTU/ADSL/Dongle why
> >>>>>> didn't
> >>>>>> you please with the government to stop the importation of Pentium
> >>>>>> processor based computers or 14" monitors or AT keyboards so that
> >>>>>> users
> >>>>>> could transition?  If you remember the ISPs never even gave us a
> >>>>>> transition period and some never even implemented analogue
> >>>>>> connectivity.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This is the same case with the digital TV migration, you do not need
> >>>>>> a
> >>>>>> digital TV to benefit from the new method of transmission all that
> >>>>>> you
> >>>>>> are
> >>>>>> changing is the equivalent of your analogue modem with a digital
> >>>>>> receiver
> >>>>>> and nothing more, also remember that this transition is a world wide
> >>>>>> project and it would be foolhardy to try and stop the oncoming
> train.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As Kenyans, we have proven time and time again that we are resilient
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> innovative, we turned off "fake" phones and on the following day
> they
> >>>>>> where getting reactivated thanks to the power of google, turn off
> the
> >>>>>> analogue signal tomorrow and we shall have 500/- decoders available
> >>>>>> for
> >>>>>> sale along the streets of Nairobi, keep postponing the switchoff and
> >>>>>> there
> >>>>>> will be no meaning uptake of the digital devices, have you
> registered
> >>>>>> for
> >>>>>> election yet?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> All this noise from the entrenched media houses that we are
> >>>>>> propagating
> >>>>>> has nothing to do with if Kenyans with black and white TVs can
> afford
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>> buy the decoder but more on trying to delay the shift of
> broadcasting
> >>>>>> power to a more open platform, so before you come to the defense of
> >>>>>> Linus
> >>>>>> and his ilk find out whose agenda you are promoting, instead of
> >>>>>> coming
> >>>>>> forward and responding to the discussion going on here of which I am
> >>>>>> sure
> >>>>>> they are listening, they send mercenaries .
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Dr. Ndemo, I again say kudos and tell you keep the course and do
> what
> >>>>>> is
> >>>>>> right for the Nation and avoid being distracted by those with
> selfish
> >>>>>> agendas, deliver on this and Konza has a better chance of seeing the
> >>>>>> light
> >>>>>> of day.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Robert Yawe
> >>>>>> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> >>>>>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> >>>>>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> >>>>>> Kenya
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>>> From: meshack emakunat <memakunat at yahoo.com>
> >>>>>> To: robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
> >>>>>> Cc: Meshack <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2012, 16:48
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital migration and mass ignorance
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Dear list
> >>>>>> I read this thread and all i see is the "the cart before the horse".
> >>>>>> I
> >>>>>> believe Mr gitahi was referring to affordability rather
> compatibility
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> adaptability. @Robert, don't you think Kenyans should be given
> enough
> >>>>>> time
> >>>>>> to migrate rather than have a paradigm shift in tech use. I think
> >>>>>> that we
> >>>>>> should ban the importation of analog TV as somebody suggested
> earlier
> >>>>>> then
> >>>>>> will have a gradual change till 2015
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