[kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - regurgitated

Fri Dec 6 11:08:21 EAT 2013

Hi,

We do not need the fund just tell postal to develop a shipping module such as that offered by FedEx, DHL, USPS, UPS and Aramex for use by e-commerce site developers and the organisation will be able to self finance.

It is for the reason above that I campaigned for the post of Post Master General and I feel obliged to restart it as it is clear that the current occupant of the seat is still stuck in his GM Financial Services days and cannot see the forest for the trees.

I ask you all to please watch the video link I posted earlier and listen to the message being put across.

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/a-day-in-the-life-of-an-amazon-package-oFml8YtmTsO0dS3yjwPZng.html

Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya

Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

On Friday, 6 December 2013, 7:55, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:

Ngigi

First things first...:-) Let the fund be operational first..We have been singing this story for the last five years...

But the idea of including Postal Services within this is an interesting and intriguing one..

Ali
Hussein

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On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi at at.co.ke> wrote:

Ali,
>
>The USF is a new one, I am catching up with the telcoms stuff :-)
>
>Now, how about the postal service, is there anything like that?
>
>
>
>
>On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:
>
>Ngigi
>>
>>
>>You are absolutely right. 
>>
>>
>>The Safaricom example though may be misplaced...to cover those areas that are not economically viable we have the Universal Service Fund...which in my humble opinion has been snoozing on the job..
>>
>>
>>Ali Hussein
>>
>>
>>+254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113
>>
>>
>>"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots".  ~ Albert Einstein
>>
>>Sent from my iPad
>>
>>On Dec 5, 2013, at 5:02 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi at at.co.ke> wrote:
>>
>>
>>I don't think the postal corporation is short of ideas on how to make money in the obvious centres, the problem is it needs to sustain its services even in areas where there is no direct commercial benefit. And in such a country as ours where development is very centralized, that means a lot of areas that postal needs to cover at a loss.
>>>
>>>As an example, what if Safaricom was mandated by law to cover equally every sector in our country, would we also ask it to make the massive profits that it makes today?
>>>
>>>Rgds
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Edwin Onchari <eonchari at lynxbits.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>The corporation can tap into commercial ventures such as courier services
>>>>for agricultural produce as well...I consume fresh "spider flower"--aka
>>>>'saga' from my native land brought to NRB each morning using PSVs. With the
>>>>corporations presence all over, this is a service they can offer and people
>>>>like myself would not mind having this delicacy delivered to my doorstep at
>>>>a fee!
>>>>
>>>>Kind regards,
>>>>Edwin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>   1. Re: Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - regurgitated
>>>>      (Phares Kariuki)
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>Message: 1
>>>>Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 14:51:15 +0300
>>>>From: Phares Kariuki <pkariuki at gmail.com>
>>>>To: Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi at at.co.ke>
>>>>Cc: Consumer and Public Affairs <cpa at cck.go.ke>, KICTAnet ICT Policy
>>>>        Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>>
>>>>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets -
>>>>        regurgitated
>>>>Message-ID: <etPan.52a07033.5bd062c2.a8 at pharess-mbp.lan>
>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>
>>>>There?s more than enough market for Postel. e.g. couriers have mushroomed
>>>>all over Nairobi, that?s business that Postel could easily monopolise (they
>>>>
>>>>can hire riders in various towns to deliver letters door to door). Just
>>>>because Nairobi doesn?t have a centralised addressing system it doesn?t mean
>>>>that Postel can?t come up with their own system, which can be adapted by the
>>>>city later.?
>>>>From:?Ngigi Waithaka Ngigi Waithaka
>>>>Reply:?Ngigi Waithaka ngigi at at.co.ke
>>>>Date:?December 5, 2013 at 2:51:15 PM
>>>>To:?Phares Kariuki pkariuki at gmail.com
>>>>Subject:? Re: [kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - regurgitated
>>>>
>>>>Listers,
>>>>
>>>>The bottomline question that plagues most Postal Services is whether they
>>>>can be ran independently and at the same time at a profit?
>>>>
>>>>Postal Services provide such basic services in elementary communication that
>>>>sometimes they would need to ran, for at least an entire country to
>>>>communicate, even if they are doing so at a loss. As an example, I doubt
>>>>there is little business sense having a Post Office for the whole of Turkana
>>>>County, but, basic service delivery demands it.
>>>>
>>>>In a way, and as a country, we need to look at the previous Kenya Posts &
>>>>Telecommunications as one with some parts by default probably being the
>>>>revenue earners, others due to their very nature, revenue lossers.
>>>>
>>>>The targets we set Postal Services should primarily be about service
>>>>delivery & revenue generation second. It would hence make more sense if
>>>>Postal Services could guarantee delivery of parcels across the country in
>>>>say 7 days, and hence boost eCommerce significantly when everyone, including
>>>>that guy in North Horr has a distinct Postal Address rather than make a few
>>>>billion shillings in profits by closing most of the postal outlets.
>>>>
>>>>Almost 2-cents worth...
>>>>
>>>>Regards
>>>>Waithaka Ngigi
>>>>A1.iO
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>Postal corporation is an irrational corporation.?
>>>>
>>>>They are shutting down outlets, yet it?s almost impossible to get an address
>>>>
>>>>with them. The more outlets they shut down, the less valuable the entire
>>>>network is simply because you have fewer locations you can mail.?
>>>>
>>>>We don?t need USF to expand PCK offices, we simply need rational minds
>>>>running it.?
>>>>From:?Wambua, Christopher Wambua, Christopher Reply:?Wambua, Christopher
>>>>wambua at cck.go.ke Date:?December 5, 2013 at 1:55:03 PM To:?Phares Kariuki
>>>>pkariuki at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>Subject:? Re: [kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - regurgitated
>>>>
>>>>Kivuva,
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>We know that interconnection exists in the postal/courier sub-sector, and
>>>>indeed CCK encourages it. ??That is why are basing our projections on both
>>>>
>>>>the public and private postal/courier operators. Just to summarize my two
>>>>earlier responses, we shall realize the target by:
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>1.?????? Using USF to expand PCK post offices,
>>>>
>>>>2.?????? Encouraging usage of postal outlets for government services hence
>>>>
>>>>securing sustainability as well as expansion,
>>>>
>>>>3.?????? Licensing more rural private postal/courier operators
>>>>
>>>>4.?????? Liberalizing where possible certain existing postal exclusive
>>>>
>>>>services currently reserved for PCK to encourage growth. We have commenced a
>>>>comprehensive study in this area to inform the review.
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>Best regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>Christopher Wambua
>>>>
>>>>Manager ? Communications
>>>>
>>>>Consumer and Public Affairs Department
>>>>
>>>>Communications Commission of Kenya
>>>>
>>>>P.O. Box 14448 NAIROBI 00800
>>>>
>>>>Tel: +254 20 4242209
>>>>
>>>>info at cck.go.ke
>>>>
>>>>www.cck.go.ke
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>From: lordmwesh at gmail.com [mailto:lordmwesh at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Kivuva
>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 12:36 PM
>>>>To: Wambua, Christopher
>>>>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>>>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - regurgitated
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>Thank you Wambua,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>I had seen that especially on Page 24 of your strategic plan "6. Postal and
>>>>Courier Penetration (Population
>>>>
>>>>Per Post Office and/or Courier Outlets) from 29,992 to 20,000"
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You understand the folly of relying on private couriers, they have a
>>>>discretion of deciding where to pitch their business. Do you know even
>>>>private couriers rely on Posta and EMS to reach Lokitang, Loitoktok and
>>>>Longisa?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>______________________
>>>>Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya.
>>>>twitter.com/lordmwesh
>>>>
>>>>google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>On 4 December 2013 21:07, Wambua, Christopher <Wambua at cck.go.ke> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Kivuva,
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>You may wish to note that, from a regulatory perspective, postal outlets
>>>>also include private courier outlets whose numbers have been growing
>>>>consistently at a rate of 20 outlets per annum. ?
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>According to the Kenya Information and Communications Act, Cap 411A, the
>>>>post refers to any system for the delivery of postal articles. A postal
>>>>article is anything deliverable by post.
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>Best regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>Christopher Wambua
>>>>
>>>>Manager ? Communications
>>>>
>>>>Consumer and Public Affairs Department
>>>>
>>>>Communications Commission of Kenya
>>>>
>>>>P.O. Box 14448 NAIROBI 00800
>>>>
>>>>Tel: +254 20 4242209
>>>>
>>>>info at cck.go.ke
>>>>
>>>>www.cck.go.ke
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>From: kictanet
>>>>[mailto:kictanet-bounces+wambua=cck.go.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of
>>>>Kivuva
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2013 4:59 PM
>>>>To: Wambua, Christopher
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>>>
>>>>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - regurgitated
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>There is no e-commerce without a distribution network.
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>In CCK's 5 Year strategic plan, they have promised to increase Postal
>>>>/Courier services from 28,000people/postOffice to 20,000. I asked last week
>>>>how they intend to achieve that!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>______________________
>>>>Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya.
>>>>twitter.com/lordmwesh
>>>>
>>>>google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>On 2 December 2013 21:03, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Listers,
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>If anyone of you can get the following link to either the Cabinet Secretary
>>>>for IC&T Dr. Matiangi and the Posta Master General Dr. Kinara please forward
>>>>it and hopefully they will realise that closing post office locations and
>>>>laying off staff is the worst thing they can do for the growth of e-commerce
>>>>in the region.
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>http://www.bloomberg.com/video/a-day-in-the-life-of-an-amazon-package-oFml8Y
>>>>tmTsO0dS3yjwPZng.html
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>Regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>Robert Yawe
>>>>KAY System Technologies Ltd
>>>>Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>>>>P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>>>>Kenya
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>On Wednesday, 31 July 2013, 11:44, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hi,
>>>>
>>>>Yesterday PCK launched their payment platform which allows me to regurgitate
>>>>a post, below, that I did in 2010 when I started my public campaign to be
>>>>appointed the PMG.
>>>>
>>>>At the launch a clear statement was made on how the government will use the
>>>>PCK infrastructure to deliver its services to the public a position that was
>>>>many a times reiterated by Dr. Kate Getao the ICT Secretary, her strategy
>>>>unlike many of the others seems like it will come to pass.?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The PASHA, Digital Village and most of the other initiatives have all fallen
>>>>by the wayside and the one that was ever going to be sustainable has emerged
>>>>victorious, which raises the question of what has changed in the last 100
>>>>days?
>>>>
>>>>??? 1.? Dr. Ndemo is no longer in charge of the Information ministry (even
>>>>though the former minister Hon. Pogisho was prominent at the PCK launch) ???
>>>>2.? Mr. Paul Kukubo left the KICT Board ??? 3.? KICT Board to be placed
>>>>under the e-Government docket ??? 4.? A digital focused President has taken
>>>>up the reigns
>>>>
>>>>??? 5.? A realisation by those in government that PCK is more than stamps ??
>>>>
>>>>Regards
>>>>???
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Forwarded Message -----
>>>>From: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
>>>>To: Kictanet Mail list <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>>Sent: Friday, 11 June 2010, 10:54
>>>>Subject: Postal Corporation Closing Outlets
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>Hi,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>It is with shock that I read about the closing of some of the post offices
>>>>around the country by?Postal?Corporation. ?This is an indication of a
>>>>management that has no vision or?ambition?maybe as a result of using the
>>>>corporation as a retirement centre.?
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>With us trying to achieve universal access,
>>>>?http://www.cck.go.ke/services/universal_access/downloads/FinalUAreport.pdf,
>>>>shutting down post offices is a step in the wrong direction. ?It is
>>>>
>>>>unfortunate that we have heard no reaction to this issue from the ministry
>>>>of information, CCK or even Kenya ICTBoard. ?
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It is time Postal corporation was run by someone who understands the
>>>>transitioning of the role of the postal corporation in the digital age, to
>>>>me they are the perfect platform for rolling out digital villages,
>>>>outsorucing service and e-commerce. ?This will avoid the appointment of
>>>>
>>>>executives who are more interested in the supply of fuel, tyres and
>>>>insurance as opposed to moving the organisations to new heights.
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>Implementation of e-mail to mail systems would reduce the costs of transport
>>>>incurred by PCK which makes up over 60% of their operational costs.
>>>>?Unfortunately most of those who have been appointed to the post of post
>>>>
>>>>master general have no appreciation of the role of the postal services in
>>>>the development of the nation.
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>Do not listen to the myopic stories about the death of the postal service
>>>>because of e-mail, facebok and twitter as you and I know that a physical
>>>>item can never be delivered electronically.
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>I believe the appointment of the next post master general and by extension
>>>>the chief executive of the Kenya ICTBoard and CCK need to include vetting
>>>>and recommendations from the private sector with clearly defined performance
>>>>indicators. ?
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>Regards
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>Robert Yawe
>>>>KAY System Technologies Ltd
>>>>Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>>>>P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>>>>Kenya
>>>>
>>>>Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>
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