[kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - regurgitated

Thu Dec 5 20:26:03 EAT 2013

Perhaps Postal Courier could have value added services by partnering with
KQ Cargo that has recently launched a Domestic Courier service?
On 05 Dec 2013 11:37 PM, "Ngigi Waithaka" <ngigi at at.co.ke> wrote:

> Ali,
>
> The USF is a new one, I am catching up with the telcoms stuff :-)
>
> Now, how about the postal service, is there anything like that?
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:
>
>> Ngigi
>>
>> You are absolutely right.
>>
>> The Safaricom example though may be misplaced...to cover those areas that
>> are not economically viable we have the Universal Service Fund...which in
>> my humble opinion has been snoozing on the job..
>>
>> Ali Hussein
>>
>> +254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113
>>
>> "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will
>> have a generation of idiots".  ~ Albert Einstein
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Dec 5, 2013, at 5:02 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi at at.co.ke> wrote:
>>
>> I don't think the postal corporation is short of ideas on how to make
>> money in the obvious centres, the problem is it needs to sustain its
>> services even in areas where there is no direct commercial benefit. And in
>> such a country as ours where development is very centralized, that means a
>> lot of areas that postal needs to cover at a loss.
>>
>> As an example, what if Safaricom was mandated by law to cover equally
>> every sector in our country, would we also ask it to make the massive
>> profits that it makes today?
>>
>> Rgds
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Edwin Onchari <eonchari at lynxbits.com>wrote:
>>
>>> The corporation can tap into commercial ventures such as courier services
>>> for agricultural produce as well...I consume fresh "spider flower"--aka
>>> 'saga' from my native land brought to NRB each morning using PSVs. With
>>> the
>>> corporations presence all over, this is a service they can offer and
>>> people
>>> like myself would not mind having this delicacy delivered to my doorstep
>>> at
>>> a fee!
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Edwin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>    1. Re: Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - regurgitated
>>>       (Phares Kariuki)
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 14:51:15 +0300
>>> From: Phares Kariuki <pkariuki at gmail.com>
>>> To: Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi at at.co.ke>
>>> Cc: Consumer and Public Affairs <cpa at cck.go.ke>, KICTAnet ICT Policy
>>>         Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets -
>>>         regurgitated
>>> Message-ID: <etPan.52a07033.5bd062c2.a8 at pharess-mbp.lan>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> There?s more than enough market for Postel. e.g. couriers have mushroomed
>>> all over Nairobi, that?s business that Postel could easily monopolise
>>> (they
>>> can hire riders in various towns to deliver letters door to door). Just
>>> because Nairobi doesn?t have a centralised addressing system it doesn?t
>>> mean
>>> that Postel can?t come up with their own system, which can be adapted by
>>> the
>>> city later.?
>>> From:?Ngigi Waithaka Ngigi Waithaka
>>> Reply:?Ngigi Waithaka ngigi at at.co.ke
>>> Date:?December 5, 2013 at 2:51:15 PM
>>> To:?Phares Kariuki pkariuki at gmail.com
>>> Subject:? Re: [kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets -
>>> regurgitated
>>> Listers,
>>>
>>> The bottomline question that plagues most Postal Services is whether they
>>> can be ran independently and at the same time at a profit?
>>>
>>> Postal Services provide such basic services in elementary communication
>>> that
>>> sometimes they would need to ran, for at least an entire country to
>>> communicate, even if they are doing so at a loss. As an example, I doubt
>>> there is little business sense having a Post Office for the whole of
>>> Turkana
>>> County, but, basic service delivery demands it.
>>>
>>> In a way, and as a country, we need to look at the previous Kenya Posts &
>>> Telecommunications as one with some parts by default probably being the
>>> revenue earners, others due to their very nature, revenue lossers.
>>>
>>> The targets we set Postal Services should primarily be about service
>>> delivery & revenue generation second. It would hence make more sense if
>>> Postal Services could guarantee delivery of parcels across the country in
>>> say 7 days, and hence boost eCommerce significantly when everyone,
>>> including
>>> that guy in North Horr has a distinct Postal Address rather than make a
>>> few
>>> billion shillings in profits by closing most of the postal outlets.
>>>
>>> Almost 2-cents worth...
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Waithaka Ngigi
>>> A1.iO
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> Postal corporation is an irrational corporation.?
>>>
>>> They are shutting down outlets, yet it?s almost impossible to get an
>>> address
>>> with them. The more outlets they shut down, the less valuable the entire
>>> network is simply because you have fewer locations you can mail.?
>>>
>>> We don?t need USF to expand PCK offices, we simply need rational minds
>>> running it.?
>>> From:?Wambua, Christopher Wambua, Christopher Reply:?Wambua, Christopher
>>> wambua at cck.go.ke Date:?December 5, 2013 at 1:55:03 PM To:?Phares Kariuki
>>> pkariuki at gmail.com
>>>
>>> Subject:? Re: [kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets -
>>> regurgitated
>>> Kivuva,
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> We know that interconnection exists in the postal/courier sub-sector, and
>>> indeed CCK encourages it. ??That is why are basing our projections on
>>> both
>>> the public and private postal/courier operators. Just to summarize my two
>>> earlier responses, we shall realize the target by:
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> 1.?????? Using USF to expand PCK post offices,
>>>
>>> 2.?????? Encouraging usage of postal outlets for government services
>>> hence
>>> securing sustainability as well as expansion,
>>>
>>> 3.?????? Licensing more rural private postal/courier operators
>>>
>>> 4.?????? Liberalizing where possible certain existing postal exclusive
>>> services currently reserved for PCK to encourage growth. We have
>>> commenced a
>>> comprehensive study in this area to inform the review.
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Christopher Wambua
>>>
>>> Manager ? Communications
>>>
>>> Consumer and Public Affairs Department
>>>
>>> Communications Commission of Kenya
>>>
>>> P.O. Box 14448 NAIROBI 00800
>>>
>>> Tel: +254 20 4242209
>>>
>>> info at cck.go.ke
>>>
>>> www.cck.go.ke
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> From: lordmwesh at gmail.com [mailto:lordmwesh at gmail.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Kivuva
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 12:36 PM
>>> To: Wambua, Christopher
>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - regurgitated
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Thank you Wambua,
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> I had seen that especially on Page 24 of your strategic plan "6. Postal
>>> and
>>> Courier Penetration (Population
>>>
>>> Per Post Office and/or Courier Outlets) from 29,992 to 20,000"
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> You understand the folly of relying on private couriers, they have a
>>> discretion of deciding where to pitch their business. Do you know even
>>> private couriers rely on Posta and EMS to reach Lokitang, Loitoktok and
>>> Longisa?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________
>>> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya.
>>> twitter.com/lordmwesh
>>>
>>> google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> On 4 December 2013 21:07, Wambua, Christopher <Wambua at cck.go.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>> Kivuva,
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> You may wish to note that, from a regulatory perspective, postal outlets
>>> also include private courier outlets whose numbers have been growing
>>> consistently at a rate of 20 outlets per annum. ?
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> According to the Kenya Information and Communications Act, Cap 411A, the
>>> post refers to any system for the delivery of postal articles. A postal
>>> article is anything deliverable by post.
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Christopher Wambua
>>>
>>> Manager ? Communications
>>>
>>> Consumer and Public Affairs Department
>>>
>>> Communications Commission of Kenya
>>>
>>> P.O. Box 14448 NAIROBI 00800
>>>
>>> Tel: +254 20 4242209
>>>
>>> info at cck.go.ke
>>>
>>> www.cck.go.ke
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> From: kictanet
>>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+wambua=cck.go.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
>>> Behalf Of
>>> Kivuva
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2013 4:59 PM
>>> To: Wambua, Christopher
>>>
>>>
>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - regurgitated
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> There is no e-commerce without a distribution network.
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> In CCK's 5 Year strategic plan, they have promised to increase Postal
>>> /Courier services from 28,000people/postOffice to 20,000. I asked last
>>> week
>>> how they intend to achieve that!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________
>>> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya.
>>> twitter.com/lordmwesh
>>>
>>> google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> On 2 December 2013 21:03, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Listers,
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> If anyone of you can get the following link to either the Cabinet
>>> Secretary
>>> for IC&T Dr. Matiangi and the Posta Master General Dr. Kinara please
>>> forward
>>> it and hopefully they will realise that closing post office locations and
>>> laying off staff is the worst thing they can do for the growth of
>>> e-commerce
>>> in the region.
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.bloomberg.com/video/a-day-in-the-life-of-an-amazon-package-oFml8Y
>>> tmTsO0dS3yjwPZng.html<http://www.bloomberg.com/video/a-day-in-the-life-of-an-amazon-package-oFml8YtmTsO0dS3yjwPZng.html>
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Robert Yawe
>>> KAY System Technologies Ltd
>>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>>> Kenya
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 31 July 2013, 11:44, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Yesterday PCK launched their payment platform which allows me to
>>> regurgitate
>>> a post, below, that I did in 2010 when I started my public campaign to be
>>> appointed the PMG.
>>>
>>> At the launch a clear statement was made on how the government will use
>>> the
>>> PCK infrastructure to deliver its services to the public a position that
>>> was
>>> many a times reiterated by Dr. Kate Getao the ICT Secretary, her strategy
>>> unlike many of the others seems like it will come to pass.?
>>>
>>> The PASHA, Digital Village and most of the other initiatives have all
>>> fallen
>>> by the wayside and the one that was ever going to be sustainable has
>>> emerged
>>> victorious, which raises the question of what has changed in the last 100
>>> days?
>>>
>>> ??? 1.? Dr. Ndemo is no longer in charge of the Information ministry
>>> (even
>>> though the former minister Hon. Pogisho was prominent at the PCK launch)
>>> ???
>>> 2.? Mr. Paul Kukubo left the KICT Board ??? 3.? KICT Board to be placed
>>> under the e-Government docket ??? 4.? A digital focused President has
>>> taken
>>> up the reigns
>>>
>>> ??? 5.? A realisation by those in government that PCK is more than
>>> stamps ??
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> ???
>>>
>>> ----- Forwarded Message -----
>>> From: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
>>> To: Kictanet Mail list <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> Sent: Friday, 11 June 2010, 10:54
>>> Subject: Postal Corporation Closing Outlets
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> It is with shock that I read about the closing of some of the post
>>> offices
>>> around the country by?Postal?Corporation. ?This is an indication of a
>>> management that has no vision or?ambition?maybe as a result of using the
>>> corporation as a retirement centre.?
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> With us trying to achieve universal access,
>>> ?
>>> http://www.cck.go.ke/services/universal_access/downloads/FinalUAreport.pdf
>>> ,
>>> shutting down post offices is a step in the wrong direction. ?It is
>>> unfortunate that we have heard no reaction to this issue from the
>>> ministry
>>> of information, CCK or even Kenya ICTBoard. ?
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> It is time Postal corporation was run by someone who understands the
>>> transitioning of the role of the postal corporation in the digital age,
>>> to
>>> me they are the perfect platform for rolling out digital villages,
>>> outsorucing service and e-commerce. ?This will avoid the appointment of
>>> executives who are more interested in the supply of fuel, tyres and
>>> insurance as opposed to moving the organisations to new heights.
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Implementation of e-mail to mail systems would reduce the costs of
>>> transport
>>> incurred by PCK which makes up over 60% of their operational costs.
>>> ?Unfortunately most of those who have been appointed to the post of post
>>> master general have no appreciation of the role of the postal services in
>>> the development of the nation.
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Do not listen to the myopic stories about the death of the postal service
>>> because of e-mail, facebok and twitter as you and I know that a physical
>>> item can never be delivered electronically.
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> I believe the appointment of the next post master general and by
>>> extension
>>> the chief executive of the Kenya ICTBoard and CCK need to include vetting
>>> and recommendations from the private sector with clearly defined
>>> performance
>>> indicators. ?
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Robert Yawe
>>> KAY System Technologies Ltd
>>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>>> Kenya
>>>
>>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
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