[kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - regurgitated

Thu Dec 5 18:35:50 EAT 2013

Ali,

The USF is a new one, I am catching up with the telcoms stuff :-)

Now, how about the postal service, is there anything like that?

On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:

> Ngigi
>
> You are absolutely right.
>
> The Safaricom example though may be misplaced...to cover those areas that
> are not economically viable we have the Universal Service Fund...which in
> my humble opinion has been snoozing on the job..
>
> Ali Hussein
>
> +254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113
>
> "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will
> have a generation of idiots".  ~ Albert Einstein
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Dec 5, 2013, at 5:02 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi at at.co.ke> wrote:
>
> I don't think the postal corporation is short of ideas on how to make
> money in the obvious centres, the problem is it needs to sustain its
> services even in areas where there is no direct commercial benefit. And in
> such a country as ours where development is very centralized, that means a
> lot of areas that postal needs to cover at a loss.
>
> As an example, what if Safaricom was mandated by law to cover equally
> every sector in our country, would we also ask it to make the massive
> profits that it makes today?
>
> Rgds
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Edwin Onchari <eonchari at lynxbits.com>wrote:
>
>> The corporation can tap into commercial ventures such as courier services
>> for agricultural produce as well...I consume fresh "spider flower"--aka
>> 'saga' from my native land brought to NRB each morning using PSVs. With
>> the
>> corporations presence all over, this is a service they can offer and
>> people
>> like myself would not mind having this delicacy delivered to my doorstep
>> at
>> a fee!
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Edwin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>    1. Re: Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - regurgitated
>>       (Phares Kariuki)
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 14:51:15 +0300
>> From: Phares Kariuki <pkariuki at gmail.com>
>> To: Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi at at.co.ke>
>> Cc: Consumer and Public Affairs <cpa at cck.go.ke>, KICTAnet ICT Policy
>>         Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets -
>>         regurgitated
>> Message-ID: <etPan.52a07033.5bd062c2.a8 at pharess-mbp.lan>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> There?s more than enough market for Postel. e.g. couriers have mushroomed
>> all over Nairobi, that?s business that Postel could easily monopolise
>> (they
>> can hire riders in various towns to deliver letters door to door). Just
>> because Nairobi doesn?t have a centralised addressing system it doesn?t
>> mean
>> that Postel can?t come up with their own system, which can be adapted by
>> the
>> city later.?
>> From:?Ngigi Waithaka Ngigi Waithaka
>> Reply:?Ngigi Waithaka ngigi at at.co.ke
>> Date:?December 5, 2013 at 2:51:15 PM
>> To:?Phares Kariuki pkariuki at gmail.com
>> Subject:? Re: [kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - regurgitated
>> Listers,
>>
>> The bottomline question that plagues most Postal Services is whether they
>> can be ran independently and at the same time at a profit?
>>
>> Postal Services provide such basic services in elementary communication
>> that
>> sometimes they would need to ran, for at least an entire country to
>> communicate, even if they are doing so at a loss. As an example, I doubt
>> there is little business sense having a Post Office for the whole of
>> Turkana
>> County, but, basic service delivery demands it.
>>
>> In a way, and as a country, we need to look at the previous Kenya Posts &
>> Telecommunications as one with some parts by default probably being the
>> revenue earners, others due to their very nature, revenue lossers.
>>
>> The targets we set Postal Services should primarily be about service
>> delivery & revenue generation second. It would hence make more sense if
>> Postal Services could guarantee delivery of parcels across the country in
>> say 7 days, and hence boost eCommerce significantly when everyone,
>> including
>> that guy in North Horr has a distinct Postal Address rather than make a
>> few
>> billion shillings in profits by closing most of the postal outlets.
>>
>> Almost 2-cents worth...
>>
>> Regards
>> Waithaka Ngigi
>> A1.iO
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> Postal corporation is an irrational corporation.?
>>
>> They are shutting down outlets, yet it?s almost impossible to get an
>> address
>> with them. The more outlets they shut down, the less valuable the entire
>> network is simply because you have fewer locations you can mail.?
>>
>> We don?t need USF to expand PCK offices, we simply need rational minds
>> running it.?
>> From:?Wambua, Christopher Wambua, Christopher Reply:?Wambua, Christopher
>> wambua at cck.go.ke Date:?December 5, 2013 at 1:55:03 PM To:?Phares Kariuki
>> pkariuki at gmail.com
>>
>> Subject:? Re: [kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - regurgitated
>> Kivuva,
>>
>> ?
>>
>> We know that interconnection exists in the postal/courier sub-sector, and
>> indeed CCK encourages it. ??That is why are basing our projections on both
>> the public and private postal/courier operators. Just to summarize my two
>> earlier responses, we shall realize the target by:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> 1.?????? Using USF to expand PCK post offices,
>>
>> 2.?????? Encouraging usage of postal outlets for government services hence
>> securing sustainability as well as expansion,
>>
>> 3.?????? Licensing more rural private postal/courier operators
>>
>> 4.?????? Liberalizing where possible certain existing postal exclusive
>> services currently reserved for PCK to encourage growth. We have
>> commenced a
>> comprehensive study in this area to inform the review.
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Christopher Wambua
>>
>> Manager ? Communications
>>
>> Consumer and Public Affairs Department
>>
>> Communications Commission of Kenya
>>
>> P.O. Box 14448 NAIROBI 00800
>>
>> Tel: +254 20 4242209
>>
>> info at cck.go.ke
>>
>> www.cck.go.ke
>>
>> ?
>>
>> ?
>>
>> ?
>>
>> From: lordmwesh at gmail.com [mailto:lordmwesh at gmail.com] On Behalf Of
>> Kivuva
>> Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 12:36 PM
>> To: Wambua, Christopher
>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - regurgitated
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Thank you Wambua,
>>
>> ?
>>
>> I had seen that especially on Page 24 of your strategic plan "6. Postal
>> and
>> Courier Penetration (Population
>>
>> Per Post Office and/or Courier Outlets) from 29,992 to 20,000"
>>
>> ?
>>
>> You understand the folly of relying on private couriers, they have a
>> discretion of deciding where to pitch their business. Do you know even
>> private couriers rely on Posta and EMS to reach Lokitang, Loitoktok and
>> Longisa?
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________
>> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya.
>> twitter.com/lordmwesh
>>
>> google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh
>>
>> ?
>>
>> On 4 December 2013 21:07, Wambua, Christopher <Wambua at cck.go.ke> wrote:
>>
>> Kivuva,
>>
>> ?
>>
>> You may wish to note that, from a regulatory perspective, postal outlets
>> also include private courier outlets whose numbers have been growing
>> consistently at a rate of 20 outlets per annum. ?
>>
>> ?
>>
>> According to the Kenya Information and Communications Act, Cap 411A, the
>> post refers to any system for the delivery of postal articles. A postal
>> article is anything deliverable by post.
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Christopher Wambua
>>
>> Manager ? Communications
>>
>> Consumer and Public Affairs Department
>>
>> Communications Commission of Kenya
>>
>> P.O. Box 14448 NAIROBI 00800
>>
>> Tel: +254 20 4242209
>>
>> info at cck.go.ke
>>
>> www.cck.go.ke
>>
>> ?
>>
>> ?
>>
>> ?
>>
>> From: kictanet
>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+wambua=cck.go.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
>> Behalf Of
>> Kivuva
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2013 4:59 PM
>> To: Wambua, Christopher
>>
>>
>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - regurgitated
>>
>> ?
>>
>> There is no e-commerce without a distribution network.
>>
>> ?
>>
>> In CCK's 5 Year strategic plan, they have promised to increase Postal
>> /Courier services from 28,000people/postOffice to 20,000. I asked last
>> week
>> how they intend to achieve that!
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________
>> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya.
>> twitter.com/lordmwesh
>>
>> google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh
>>
>> ?
>>
>> On 2 December 2013 21:03, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Listers,
>>
>> ?
>>
>> If anyone of you can get the following link to either the Cabinet
>> Secretary
>> for IC&T Dr. Matiangi and the Posta Master General Dr. Kinara please
>> forward
>> it and hopefully they will realise that closing post office locations and
>> laying off staff is the worst thing they can do for the growth of
>> e-commerce
>> in the region.
>>
>> ?
>>
>>
>> http://www.bloomberg.com/video/a-day-in-the-life-of-an-amazon-package-oFml8Y
>> tmTsO0dS3yjwPZng.html<http://www.bloomberg.com/video/a-day-in-the-life-of-an-amazon-package-oFml8YtmTsO0dS3yjwPZng.html>
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Robert Yawe
>> KAY System Technologies Ltd
>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>> Kenya
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>>
>> ?
>>
>> On Wednesday, 31 July 2013, 11:44, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Yesterday PCK launched their payment platform which allows me to
>> regurgitate
>> a post, below, that I did in 2010 when I started my public campaign to be
>> appointed the PMG.
>>
>> At the launch a clear statement was made on how the government will use
>> the
>> PCK infrastructure to deliver its services to the public a position that
>> was
>> many a times reiterated by Dr. Kate Getao the ICT Secretary, her strategy
>> unlike many of the others seems like it will come to pass.?
>>
>> The PASHA, Digital Village and most of the other initiatives have all
>> fallen
>> by the wayside and the one that was ever going to be sustainable has
>> emerged
>> victorious, which raises the question of what has changed in the last 100
>> days?
>>
>> ??? 1.? Dr. Ndemo is no longer in charge of the Information ministry (even
>> though the former minister Hon. Pogisho was prominent at the PCK launch)
>> ???
>> 2.? Mr. Paul Kukubo left the KICT Board ??? 3.? KICT Board to be placed
>> under the e-Government docket ??? 4.? A digital focused President has
>> taken
>> up the reigns
>>
>> ??? 5.? A realisation by those in government that PCK is more than stamps
>> ??
>>
>> Regards
>> ???
>>
>> ----- Forwarded Message -----
>> From: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: Kictanet Mail list <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> Sent: Friday, 11 June 2010, 10:54
>> Subject: Postal Corporation Closing Outlets
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> ?
>>
>> It is with shock that I read about the closing of some of the post offices
>> around the country by?Postal?Corporation. ?This is an indication of a
>> management that has no vision or?ambition?maybe as a result of using the
>> corporation as a retirement centre.?
>>
>> ?
>>
>> With us trying to achieve universal access,
>> ?
>> http://www.cck.go.ke/services/universal_access/downloads/FinalUAreport.pdf
>> ,
>> shutting down post offices is a step in the wrong direction. ?It is
>> unfortunate that we have heard no reaction to this issue from the ministry
>> of information, CCK or even Kenya ICTBoard. ?
>>
>> ?
>>
>> It is time Postal corporation was run by someone who understands the
>> transitioning of the role of the postal corporation in the digital age, to
>> me they are the perfect platform for rolling out digital villages,
>> outsorucing service and e-commerce. ?This will avoid the appointment of
>> executives who are more interested in the supply of fuel, tyres and
>> insurance as opposed to moving the organisations to new heights.
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Implementation of e-mail to mail systems would reduce the costs of
>> transport
>> incurred by PCK which makes up over 60% of their operational costs.
>> ?Unfortunately most of those who have been appointed to the post of post
>> master general have no appreciation of the role of the postal services in
>> the development of the nation.
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Do not listen to the myopic stories about the death of the postal service
>> because of e-mail, facebok and twitter as you and I know that a physical
>> item can never be delivered electronically.
>>
>> ?
>>
>> I believe the appointment of the next post master general and by extension
>> the chief executive of the Kenya ICTBoard and CCK need to include vetting
>> and recommendations from the private sector with clearly defined
>> performance
>> indicators. ?
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Regards
>> ?
>>
>> Robert Yawe
>> KAY System Technologies Ltd
>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>> Kenya
>>
>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>>
>> ?
>>
>> ?
>>
>> ?
>>
>>
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