[kictanet] Harm caused by ill-thought out WCIT proposals to developing world
Gideon
gideonrop at gmail.com
Mon Sep 24 16:44:34 EAT 2012
Hi all,
Overall i think the CCK's move made a good step to involve stakeholders,
it means that there is concerted effort to involve every one in the
discussion for the new ITR's.
And yes we will be happy to know what has been presented on our behalf as
Kenyans as well.
Gideon Rop
DotConnectAfrica
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> 3. Re: Harm caused by ill-thought out WCIT proposals to
> developing world (Wambua, Christopher)
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> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 05:07:25 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
> To: Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
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> Mich/Ali,
>
> I must also commend CCK on this process of vigorous engagement with
> Stakeholders.? I think it is either the new broom (read DG) sweeps better
> syndrome or the new constitution in action - but perhaps a mixture of both
> factors...
>
> walu.
>
> nb: I do hope eventually they share what they will present at WCIT.? They
> ofcourse are not compelled to take in everything from stakeholders but
> stakeholders have a right to know what was picked/ignored from their input.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> Cc: World Conference on International Telecommunications <
> WCIT-12 at cck.go.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <
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> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 11:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Harm caused by ill-thought out WCIT proposals to
> developing world
>
>
> Michuki
>
> I would have to agree with you on this.
>
> Ali Hussein
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Michuki Mwangi <michuki at swiftkenya.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
> >
> >
> >I have to say that am impressed with the process that the GoK and CCK
> >has taken on the WCIT-12 debate. IMHO this is a proudly Kenyan moment.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Michuki.
> >
> >
> >On 9/24/12 7:55 AM, Wambua, Christopher wrote:
> >> TIM and Listers,
> >>
> >> The African Common Proposals (which Kenya through CCK has been involved
> >> in their development)are available on the CCK website at
> >> http://www.cck.go.ke/links/consultations/Public_Consultation.html
> >>
> >> CCK is inviting comments on the review to the ITRs to enrich the African
> >> Common Proposals (ACPs), and where necessary, to develop national
> >> positions ahead of the WCIT-12.
> >>
> >> The African region is meeting in Accra, Ghana, this week for third
> >> African region preparatory meeting for the World Telecommunications
> >> Standardization Assembly and the WCIT-12.
> >>
> >> The revised ACPs that will come out the Ghana meeting shall be uploaded
> >> on the CCK website to keep the local ICT community and stakeholders
> >> fully apprised on what is happening in this space.
> >>
> >> CCK is planning to convene a stakeholders meeting on WCIT-12 after the
> >> Ghana meeting (and after compiling comments on the African proposals to
> >> the review of ITRs) to discuss the final proposals that Kenya shall be
> >> taking to WCIT-12 in Dubai.
> >>
> >> I hope this sheds light on this matter.
> >>
> >>
> >> Christopher Wambua
> >> Manager/Communications
> >> Consumer and Public Affairs Division
> >> Communications Commission of Kenya
> >> P.O. Box 14448, NAIROBI 00800
> >> KENYA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: kictanet
> >> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+wambua=cck.go.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
> >> Behalf Of McTim
> >> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 3:34 PM
> >> To: Wambua, Christopher
> >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Harm caused by ill-thought out WCIT proposals to
> >> developing world
> >>
> >> hi, is there a link to the "africa region proposal"??
> >>
> >> rgds,
> >>
> >> McTim
> >>
> >> On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 8:35 AM, ?<alice at apc.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>
> http://lirneasia.net/2012/09/harm-caused-by-ill-thought-out-wcit-proposa
> >> ls-to-developing-world/S
> >>>
> >>> Harm caused by ill-thought out WCIT proposals to developing world
> >>> Report author Dr. Rohan Samarajiva, founding chair and CEO of
> >> LIRNEasia and former telecommunication regulator in Sri Lanka, finds
> >> that proposals contributed by ETNO and the Africa region could
> >> artificially raise the cost of network interconnection, content
> >> delivery, and quality of service, and that these costs would ultimately
> >> be passed along to those least able to afford them or would result in
> >> exclusion from the Internet economy.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> http://lirneasia.net/2012/09/harm-caused-by-ill-thought-out-wcit-proposa
> >> ls-to-developing-world/S
> >>>
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> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 15:13:06 +0300
> From: "Grace Mutung'u (Bomu)" <nmutungu at gmail.com>
> To: Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
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> I remember the issue of consultations was raised during the EAIGF/ ITR
> consultations.
> Thanks CCK for facilitating public participation!
>
>
> 2012/9/24, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>:
> > Michuki
> >
> > I would have to agree with you on this.
> >
> > Ali Hussein
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Michuki Mwangi
> > <michuki at swiftkenya.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Everyone,
> >>
> >>
> >> I have to say that am impressed with the process that the GoK and CCK
> >> has taken on the WCIT-12 debate. IMHO this is a proudly Kenyan moment.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Michuki.
> >>
> >> On 9/24/12 7:55 AM, Wambua, Christopher wrote:
> >> > TIM and Listers,
> >> >
> >> > The African Common Proposals (which Kenya through CCK has been
> involved
> >> > in their development)are available on the CCK website at
> >> > http://www.cck.go.ke/links/consultations/Public_Consultation.html
> >> >
> >> > CCK is inviting comments on the review to the ITRs to enrich the
> >> > African
> >> > Common Proposals (ACPs), and where necessary, to develop national
> >> > positions ahead of the WCIT-12.
> >> >
> >> > The African region is meeting in Accra, Ghana, this week for third
> >> > African region preparatory meeting for the World Telecommunications
> >> > Standardization Assembly and the WCIT-12.
> >> >
> >> > The revised ACPs that will come out the Ghana meeting shall be
> uploaded
> >> > on the CCK website to keep the local ICT community and stakeholders
> >> > fully apprised on what is happening in this space.
> >> >
> >> > CCK is planning to convene a stakeholders meeting on WCIT-12 after the
> >> > Ghana meeting (and after compiling comments on the African proposals
> to
> >> > the review of ITRs) to discuss the final proposals that Kenya shall be
> >> > taking to WCIT-12 in Dubai.
> >> >
> >> > I hope this sheds light on this matter.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Christopher Wambua
> >> > Manager/Communications
> >> > Consumer and Public Affairs Division
> >> > Communications Commission of Kenya
> >> > P.O. Box 14448, NAIROBI 00800
> >> > KENYA
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: kictanet
> >> > [mailto:kictanet-bounces+wambua=cck.go.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
> >> > Behalf Of McTim
> >> > Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 3:34 PM
> >> > To: Wambua, Christopher
> >> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> >> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Harm caused by ill-thought out WCIT proposals
> >> > to
> >> > developing world
> >> >
> >> > hi, is there a link to the "africa region proposal"??
> >> >
> >> > rgds,
> >> >
> >> > McTim
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 8:35 AM, <alice at apc.org> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >
> http://lirneasia.net/2012/09/harm-caused-by-ill-thought-out-wcit-proposa
> >> > ls-to-developing-world/S
> >> >>
> >> >> Harm caused by ill-thought out WCIT proposals to developing world
> >> >> Report author Dr. Rohan Samarajiva, founding chair and CEO of
> >> > LIRNEasia and former telecommunication regulator in Sri Lanka, finds
> >> > that proposals contributed by ETNO and the Africa region could
> >> > artificially raise the cost of network interconnection, content
> >> > delivery, and quality of service, and that these costs would
> ultimately
> >> > be passed along to those least able to afford them or would result in
> >> > exclusion from the Internet economy.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> http://lirneasia.net/2012/09/harm-caused-by-ill-thought-out-wcit-proposa
> >> > ls-to-developing-world/S
> >> >>
> >> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> >>
> >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder
> >> > platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT
> >> > policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for
> reform
> >> > in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth
> >> > and development.
> >> >>
> >> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable
> behaviors
> >> > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and
> >> > bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize,
> >> > respect
> >> > privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
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> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform
> >> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and
> >> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
> >> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and
> >> development.
> >>
> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
> >> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and
> >> bandwidth,
> >> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy,
> do
> >> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > *Ali Hussein*
> >
> >
> >
> > Twitter: @AliHKassim
> >
> > Skype: abu-jomo
> >
>
>
> --
> Grace L.N. Mutung'u (Bomu)
> Kenya
> Skype: gracebomu
> Twitter: @Bomu
> Website: http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/profile/GraceMutungu
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 15:39:00 +0300
> From: "Wambua, Christopher" <Wambua at cck.go.ke>
> To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu at yahoo.com>, "Ali Hussein" <ali at hussein.me.ke>
> Cc: World Conference on International Telecommunications
> <WCIT-12 at cck.go.ke>, KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>, info <info at cck.go.ke>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Harm caused by ill-thought out WCIT proposals
> to developing world
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>
> Walu
>
>
>
> It is important to note that all the regions of the world have different
> positions on the ITRs. There are those who are of the view that the ITRs
> should remain as they are. Another school of thought argues that a
> review is necessary but should be minimal, only addressing those
> provisions that have been overtaken by technological and market
> developments. The third school argues that review should be extensive as
> the global telecoms industry has changed enormously since 1988.
>
>
>
> The outcome of WCIT-12 will be a product of negotiations/trade-off
> between these three schools of thought. And that why all regions of the
> world are developing regional positions so that they can have higher
> leverage in the negotiations. What Kenya, or Africa for that matter,
> will take to Dubai will therefore have to be subjected to this process.
> I believe the ITU shall publish the final ITRs (Final Acts) after the
> conference.
>
>
>
> I hope this is helpful.
>
>
>
> Wambua
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Walubengo J [mailto:jwalu at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 3:07 PM
> To: Ali Hussein
> Cc: World Conference on International Telecommunications; KICTAnet ICT
> Policy Discussions; info
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Harm caused by ill-thought out WCIT proposals to
> developing world
>
>
>
> Mich/Ali,
>
>
>
> I must also commend CCK on this process of vigorous engagement with
> Stakeholders. I think it is either the new broom (read DG) sweeps
> better syndrome or the new constitution in action - but perhaps a
> mixture of both factors...
>
>
>
> walu.
>
> nb: I do hope eventually they share what they will present at WCIT.
> They ofcourse are not compelled to take in everything from stakeholders
> but stakeholders have a right to know what was picked/ignored from their
> input.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> Cc: World Conference on International Telecommunications
> <WCIT-12 at cck.go.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>; info <info at cck.go.ke>
> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 11:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Harm caused by ill-thought out WCIT proposals to
> developing world
>
>
>
> Michuki
>
> I would have to agree with you on this.
>
> Ali Hussein
>
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Michuki Mwangi
> <michuki at swiftkenya.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
>
> I have to say that am impressed with the process that the GoK and CCK
> has taken on the WCIT-12 debate. IMHO this is a proudly Kenyan moment.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michuki.
>
>
> On 9/24/12 7:55 AM, Wambua, Christopher wrote:
> > TIM and Listers,
> >
> > The African Common Proposals (which Kenya through CCK has been
> involved
> > in their development)are available on the CCK website at
> > http://www.cck.go.ke/links/consultations/Public_Consultation.html
> >
> > CCK is inviting comments on the review to the ITRs to enrich the
> African
> > Common Proposals (ACPs), and where necessary, to develop national
> > positions ahead of the WCIT-12.
> >
> > The African region is meeting in Accra, Ghana, this week for third
> > African region preparatory meeting for the World Telecommunications
> > Standardization Assembly and the WCIT-12.
> >
> > The revised ACPs that will come out the Ghana meeting shall be
> uploaded
> > on the CCK website to keep the local ICT community and stakeholders
> > fully apprised on what is happening in this space.
> >
> > CCK is planning to convene a stakeholders meeting on WCIT-12 after the
> > Ghana meeting (and after compiling comments on the African proposals
> to
> > the review of ITRs) to discuss the final proposals that Kenya shall be
> > taking to WCIT-12 in Dubai.
> >
> > I hope this sheds light on this matter.
> >
> >
> > Christopher Wambua
> > Manager/Communications
> > Consumer and Public Affairs Division
> > Communications Commission of Kenya
> > P.O. Box 14448, NAIROBI 00800
> > KENYA
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: kictanet
> > [mailto:kictanet-bounces+wambua <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bwambua>
> =cck.go.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
> > Behalf Of McTim
> > Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 3:34 PM
> > To: Wambua, Christopher
> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Harm caused by ill-thought out WCIT proposals
> to
> > developing world
> >
> > hi, is there a link to the "africa region proposal"??
> >
> > rgds,
> >
> > McTim
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 8:35 AM, <alice at apc.org> wrote:
> >>
> >
> http://lirneasia.net/2012/09/harm-caused-by-ill-thought-out-wcit-proposa
> > ls-to-developing-world/S
> >>
> >> Harm caused by ill-thought out WCIT proposals to developing world
> >> Report author Dr. Rohan Samarajiva, founding chair and CEO of
> > LIRNEasia and former telecommunication regulator in Sri Lanka, finds
> > that proposals contributed by ETNO and the Africa region could
> > artificially raise the cost of network interconnection, content
> > delivery, and quality of service, and that these costs would
> ultimately
> > be passed along to those least able to afford them or would result in
> > exclusion from the Internet economy.
> >>
> >>
> >
> http://lirneasia.net/2012/09/harm-caused-by-ill-thought-out-wcit-proposa
> > ls-to-developing-world/S
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> kictanet mailing list
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> >>
> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder
> > platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT
> > policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for
> reform
> > in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth
> > and development.
> >>
> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable
> behaviors
> > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and
> > bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize,
> respect
> > privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
> >
> >
> >
>
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> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and
> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and
> development.
>
> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and
> bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect
> privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Ali Hussein
>
>
>
> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>
> Skype: abu-jomo
>
>
>
>
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> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and
> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and
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