[kictanet] Standard Digital News : State warned on ditching copyrighted software

[Rad!]

Carefully read what I said Evans. I have not said either has more value
than the other.

What I am agains is both sides - open and closed - peddling FUD about the
other and we are yet to resolve basic issues.

Why must it be exclusively one or the other? I'm very sure opportunities
exist for everyone.

My day to day machine is a Mac. In which I run a windows and a Linux
virtual machine. Each of which does a fantastic job serving my many
requirements.

I feel pretty sure this is the best solution to our problems - pragmatism
On Monday, September 17, 2012, Evans Ikua wrote:

> Conrad, this debate will not end any time soon and you can be sure its
> important. I am sure you would know how much money Microsoft alone mints in
> Kenya. With the threat of loss of market share, we do expect them to
> continue feeding us with half truths about what is important. I know what
> is important for me, and I also speak for the person who does not
> understand the issues, nor care about what software is running their
> solutions. Because I know something that they dont.
>
> You dont want us to believe that proprietary software has better value
> than open source, do you? What value? I have no doubt that all platforms
> must co-exist, at least to a certain extent. But it would be better to face
> the facts as they are as opposed to peddling cheap lies about security and
> vulnerabilities. I for one always have a problem with the Government using
> my tax money to buy closed source software, while at the same time spending
> the meagre forex resources that we have to fatten the wallets of developers
> in Redmond and Germany. The bargain here is that we are left with
> proprietary formats that tie us to companies that are not guaranteed to
> last the next 20 years, leave a lone 100 years.
>
> Did you know that Americans can't sell anything to (or visit) Cuba because
> of sanctions? What hapens if Mitt Romney (God Forbid) wakes up one morning
> and decides he does not like Kenya, and therefore we can't do business with
> the US? Or are we stuck with "good behaviour" so that we don't land in bad
> books with anyone, so that we can guarantee to run our economy with other
> people's technology? Where is the freedom there?
>
> The freedom that we refer to is not price, but the freedom to control how
> our software works, without having to depend on a handful of companies that
> control the source code, and if and when we can get bug fixes, so long as
> we behave ourselves. For individuals, its a matter of personal choice. But
> for our government, its a matter of freedom, foreign exchange, and
> developing local capacities. So its good that our government is finally
> getting the message, though unfortunately there is going to be some losers.
>
> Evans Ikua
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM, Rad! <conradakunga at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> These debates of open/closed source are pointless and juvenile, especially
> coming from veterans in the industry.
>
> Mwananchi does nor know nor care how things run, provided they a) Work and
> b) solve his problems.
>
> Can we at least get to that point before having these spurious arguments.
> Our police stations use counter books for records. Marriage registries use
> typewriters and box files. The city council and lands ministries are
> festooned with box files and papers.
>
> And we are here on ivory towers arguing over open vs closed source leaving
> fundamentals unaddressed!
>
> Pragmatic people have no need to resort to extremism. Just as there is
> room on roads for Mercedes S Class and Toyota Vitz I'm pretty sure there is
> room for Open and Closed Source software.
>
> As for the issue of cost - I encourage folks to look at it from an
> economics perspective. Cost and value are very different things.
>
> On Sunday, September 16, 2012, Mark Mwangi wrote:
>
> All I see is opportunity. Am not anti Microsoft or any closed source
> software company. Painting open source software as insecure, unsupportable
> and almost unhygienic is not being realistic in my opinion.
>
> The reason there aren't many linux folk is because there is no demand for
> them. If the govt decided that everything on their systems (or at
> least most) would be foss then thats where the talent will gravitate. It
> starts with a stance though.
>
> On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Agosta Liko <agostal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> issue is Open Source is free but very few people know linux or mysql as
> well as the closed guys who know aix and oracel very well.
>
> IT does not matter, all that matters is how well one can support whatever
> they are deploying ....
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> Given that Kenya is not the first country to make such a move, I see no
> reason for M$ to spell doom, really.
>
> Kenya can learn and borrow from those countries. I am sure M$ knows that
> there are countries already fully on FOSS.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Isnt it interesting that it is only closed source software vendors
> spelling doom and gloom?
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 7:34 PM, <awatila at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Last week, the Government issued a warning that in the next three
> years it will move its IT operations to Free and Open Source Software
> (FOSS), a move that will reduce cost by more than half in IT expenses.
>
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