[kictanet] Kibaki, Raila meddling stalls CCK actions

Sat Sep 1 20:53:41 EAT 2012

Hi People,

Perhaps we should just agree that goverments the world over employ measures
protectionist of perceived national interests every so often. Even the most
advanced and liberal economies have their protected exceptions.

Granted MTR is merely the available protection instrument, question should
be whether we should not be honest enough and declare that liberalisation
of our telco/ISP market-place is not absolute - then write the laws
appropriately.

Problem though would be deciding on whose entangled vested interest must be
protected alongside national interest at any point in time.

best regards
On Aug 31, 2012 5:11 PM, <bitange at jambo.co.ke> wrote:

> Edith,
> If I use Parliamentary analogy, you cannot discuss anybody there if that
> person has no right of defence in the same forum.  In this case you will
> have to use other channels of communication to such offices.  That is why
> I felt that it would be unfair to discuss anybody who has no right of
> response.  You proposal to have a Kidenda type may be fair and we can
> always try if it can work.
>
> You may recall that early in 2008 we fused together PNU and ODM policies
> on the best way to run the Kenyan economy.  This meant that the buck stops
> not with CCK or the Ministry of Information. Sometimes such issues are
> highly subjective.  You are forgeting that Telecommunications is a
> security infrastructure.  You cannot just let it die and no nation have
> ever done that.
>
> In my view our focus should be scrutinizing what policies are being
> proposed by the candidates at the moment.  You do not want to criticise
> when they already implemented.  All the issues you raise do not contravene
> the constitution in any way.  They however impact on the economic
> management that emanate from government of the day policies.
>
>
> Ndemo.
>
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> > Bwana Ndemo,
> >
> > You state that "I think it will be unfair to make any judgement before
> you
> > hear from both the President and the Prime Minister."
> >
> > How do you suggest that the industry stakeholders should hear from the 2
> > Principals as we are all very concerned by what was posted on KICTANET?.
> > Should we have a similar arrangement like Grace did with Eng. Kidenda on
> > the issue of Thika Road?
> >
> > From the many posts on this list, you can clearly tell that stakeholders
> > have many questions and issues to raise? Most have gone unanswered.
> >
> > Look forward to your advice.
> >
> > Edith
> > ________________________________________
> > From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke]
> > On Behalf Of bitange at jambo.co.ke [bitange at jambo.co.ke]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 4:30 PM
> > To: Edith Adera
> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kibaki, Raila meddling stalls CCK actions
> >
> > Solomon,
> > The Nation never accused me of corruption and I never put up a spirited
> > campaign. The Nation simply said that EACC was investigating me for using
> > a direct method in procuring Konza.  I questioned their sincerity in
> > publishing the article during the Konza conference when the matter had
> > been in public domain for over a year.  I also expressed my feelings
> > towards what I thought was unfair timing.  You can read my post once
> more.
> >
> > I think it will be unfair to make any judgement before you hear from both
> > the President and the Prime Minister. There are structures of
> > communicating with our leadership. As for me, I need time to first check
> > what needs to be said and what cannot be said due to legal implications.
> >
> > I write this while seated at a funeral in Muranga and not having all the
> > resources. It is only fair to say that I cannot comment for now.
> >
> > Ndemo.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my BlackBerry®
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Solomon Mb?r? Kamau <solo.mburu at gmail.com>
> > Sender: "kictanet"
> > <kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Wed, 29
> > Aug 2012 14:41:51
> > To: <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kibaki, Raila meddling stalls CCK actions
> >
> > Dr. Ndemo, even though you've opted to go silent on this one, I think,
> > just like you put up a spirited defence when the Nation accused you of
> > corruption on Konza Tech City, you need to satisfy our curious desire.
> > The Executive, to which by extent you are a part of, should never
> > meddle with the telecommuniction sector since this is a liberalized
> > economy.
> > If you got the said letters from State House and PM's office, let us
> > know - we just can't be held at ransom by a few individuals - even the
> > President who is no longer above the law - to suit their own
> > interests. This state of affair reminds me of JM Kariuki and his ten
> > millionaires and ten million poor.
> >
> > As such, I'm invoking  Article 35 (Sub-Article 1 parts a and b and
> > Sub-article 3), of the constitution.
> >
> >
> > Solomon
> >
> >
> > On 29/08/2012, Edith Adera <eadera at idrc.or.ke> wrote:
> >> mmm...conspiracy of silence?
> >>
> >> Should we be a community that cannot question the powers that be?
> >>
> >> Edith
> >>
> >> ________________________________________
> >> From: bitange at jambo.co.ke [bitange at jambo.co.ke]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 1:24 PM
> >> To: Edith Adera; kictanet
> >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kibaki, Raila meddling stalls CCK actions
> >>
> >> Edith,
> >> Let me not comment on this issue.
> >>
> >> Ndemo.
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my BlackBerry®
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Edith Adera <eadera at idrc.or.ke>
> >> Sender: "kictanet"
> >> <kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Wed,
> 29
> >> Aug
> >> 2012 06:06:43
> >> To: <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
> >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kibaki, Raila meddling stalls CCK actions
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