[kictanet] How are Kenyan telcos helping the police recover stolen laptops?
Gideon
gideonrop at gmail.com
Wed Oct 17 17:02:13 EAT 2012
+1 Alex, there needs to be more effort in getting behind the router, i have
read of people who have recovered their Mac's but after almost a year and
rigorous tracking, the thing is the authorities must be involved in the
process. Which i believe n Kenya would need quite some training and
equipment as well.
I lost my good laptop sometimes last year and up until now, i have never
recovered it.
The telcos could also help especially identifying the perpetrators once
they are plugged through dongles or the phones.
Thanks,
Gideon Rop
DotConnectAfrica
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> From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
> To: Evans Ikua <ikua.evans at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Q: How are Kenyan telcos helping the police
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> @ Evans the cost implication might be astronomical no? interesting ideas
> though.
>
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I know of software solutions that can help track your lost laptop. The
> > software resides in the bios, so uninstalling the OS won't help. This
> only
> > works once the laptop is plugged into the Internet. From this point, you
> > need the cooperation of the Telco/ISP and the police to track the laptop
> > using the IPs. I have never tried it though.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Michael Bullut <main at kipsang.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> *@Alex* + 1
> >>
> >>
> >> On 17 October 2012 14:32, Alex Comninos <alex.comninos at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> It can be quite easy to track USB modems (dongles) through the IEMI
> >>> number, like in a cellphone. It is easy to block IEMI numbers and
> >>> punish the criminal by rendering the device useless. Whether
> >>> geolocating the devices through triangulation of GSM reception is
> >>> possible depends on whether this type of tracking is allowed by
> >>> legislation. This would probably need a warrant to prevent abuse.
> >>>
> >>> Detecting a laptop is however virtually impossible. Laptops transmit
> >>> two MAC adresses over networks (the wired and wireless connection)
> >>> that can identify them. However the MAC address can only be detected
> >>> by LANs or wireless networks. Once the device is in a local network
> >>> (LAN) it is behind a router, which has its own MAC address, rendering
> >>> the MAC adress of the laptop undetectable. Thus the telcos can only
> >>> track USB modems and phones, but not laptops. There are simply no
> >>> technological methods available to have telcos cooperate in finding
> >>> laptops.
> >>>
> >>> I would suggest if one is afraid of losing a laptop:
> >>> 1- one insures it
> >>> 2- one encrypts the harddrive (Windows can do this now) as to not have
> >>> sensitive data stolen
> >>> 3- one backs up their data regularly, either to a harddrive, or online
> >>> to the cloud.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 17 October 2012 12:39, Nancy Macharia <n_macharia at yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >>> > Muraya,
> >>> > This is a serious concern as we kenyans save their hard earned
> income
> >>> to purchase laptops.
> >>> >
> >>> > The amount of agony and disorientation one experiences upon losing
> not
> >>> just the hardware resource but more importantly the information is
> enormous.
> >>> >
> >>> > I was a victim of this heinous act and telcos did not appear to be of
> >>> help.
> >>> >
> >>> > I would be delighted to offer ideas towards realising a solution for
> >>> this menace.
> >>> >
> >>> > Nancy
> >>> > Tel: +254727746156Sent from my BlackBerry
> >>> >
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> >>> > Subject: [kictanet] Q: How are Kenyan telcos helping the police
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> >>> > stolen laptops?
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> For Android devices http://www.avgmobilation.com/ and
> https://www.wavesecure.com/ are good solutions.
>
>
>
> On 17 October 2012 14:51, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I know of software solutions that can help track your lost laptop. The
> > software resides in the bios, so uninstalling the OS won't help. This
> only
> > works once the laptop is plugged into the Internet. From this point, you
> > need the cooperation of the Telco/ISP and the police to track the laptop
> > using the IPs. I have never tried it though.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Michael Bullut <main at kipsang.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> @Alex + 1
> >>
> >>
> >> On 17 October 2012 14:32, Alex Comninos <alex.comninos at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It can be quite easy to track USB modems (dongles) through the IEMI
> >>> number, like in a cellphone. It is easy to block IEMI numbers and
> >>> punish the criminal by rendering the device useless. Whether
> >>> geolocating the devices through triangulation of GSM reception is
> >>> possible depends on whether this type of tracking is allowed by
> >>> legislation. This would probably need a warrant to prevent abuse.
> >>>
> >>> Detecting a laptop is however virtually impossible. Laptops transmit
> >>> two MAC adresses over networks (the wired and wireless connection)
> >>> that can identify them. However the MAC address can only be detected
> >>> by LANs or wireless networks. Once the device is in a local network
> >>> (LAN) it is behind a router, which has its own MAC address, rendering
> >>> the MAC adress of the laptop undetectable. Thus the telcos can only
> >>> track USB modems and phones, but not laptops. There are simply no
> >>> technological methods available to have telcos cooperate in finding
> >>> laptops.
> >>>
> >>> I would suggest if one is afraid of losing a laptop:
> >>> 1- one insures it
> >>> 2- one encrypts the harddrive (Windows can do this now) as to not have
> >>> sensitive data stolen
> >>> 3- one backs up their data regularly, either to a harddrive, or online
> >>> to the cloud.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 17 October 2012 12:39, Nancy Macharia <n_macharia at yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >>> > Muraya,
> >>> > This is a serious concern as we kenyans save their hard earned
> income
> >>> > to purchase laptops.
> >>> >
> >>> > The amount of agony and disorientation one experiences upon losing
> not
> >>> > just the hardware resource but more importantly the information is
> enormous.
> >>> >
> >>> > I was a victim of this heinous act and telcos did not appear to be of
> >>> > help.
> >>> >
> >>> > I would be delighted to offer ideas towards realising a solution for
> >>> > this menace.
> >>> >
> >>> > Nancy
> >>> > Tel: +254727746156Sent from my BlackBerry
> >>> >
> >>> > -----Original Message-----
> >>> > From: "S.M. Muraya" <murigi.muraya at gmail.com>
> >>> > Sender: "kictanet"
> >>> > <kictanet-bounces+n_macharia=yahoo.co.uk at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >>> > Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:31:04
> >>> > To: <n_macharia at yahoo.co.uk>
> >>> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >>> > Subject: [kictanet] Q: How are Kenyan telcos helping the police
> recover
> >>> > stolen laptops?
> >>> >
> >>> > _______________________________________________
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> platform
> >>> > for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and
> >>> > regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the
> ICT
> >>> > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and
> development.
> >>> >
> >>> > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable
> behaviors
> >>> > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and
> bandwidth,
> >>> > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect
> privacy, do
> >>> > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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> >>> > for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and
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> >>> > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and
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> >>
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> >> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and
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> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
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> >> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy,
> do
> >> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > Kind Regards,
> > Evans Ikua,
> > lanetconsulting.com,
> > lpi-eastafrica.org,
> > ict-innovation.fossfa.net,
> > Skype: @ikuae
> > Cell: +254-722-955831
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> > people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and
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> > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and
> development.
> >
> > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
> > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and
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> > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do
> > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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