[kictanet] KeBS to re-emburse fake phone owners

Wed Oct 3 05:05:22 EAT 2012

the kebs certification process does not mean that kebs checks every
single product in the market. infact, certification of many imported
goods is done pre- import, by third party companies. so as goods are
entering the market,  they  produce is their certificate from the
company that tested their compliance.
two issues as we look into the bigger picture: does kebs have capacity
to ensure that most goods entering the country meet standards?
in the case of mobile phones, are there standards?
and then there is the issue of counterfeiting and maybe consumer
safety/ anti- counterfeit is the new fronteir in that long war in IP.
and in this instance, we know who's winning.

2012/10/2, Isaac Mutunga <scmutunga at yahoo.com>:
> KBS sticker is not a proof KEBS certification. Downtown in Nairobi you can
> get any sticker (KEBS, KRA etc) for a song. In my opinion the buck stops
> with both CCK and KEBS. CCK is mandated to type approve telcom equipments
> and uses KEBS as an agency to do this. On the other hand KEBS is mandated to
> ensure that all product sold to consumers meet certain standards.  CCK can
> use another agency if it feels KEBS is not doing a good job. At the same
> time KEBS can  reject any CCK type approved telco product if it is harmful
> to consumers.
>
> ------Original message------
> From: S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya at gmail.com>
> To: <scmutunga at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Date: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 7:34:26 PM GMT+0300
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] KeBS to re-emburse fake phone owners
>
> Wash,
>
> Will also check the box.
>
> Have seen KeBS sticker on some boxes. Could have been phones bought at
> Safaricom (including an IDEOS that was stolen - this should be another
> thread) had KeBS stickers.
>
> Purchased the phone at Westgate (FoneExpress) 3 years ago this December. It
> came with a Samsung warranty that was honoured to upgrade the OS. The OS
> upgrade was one of the selling points on the box.
>
> We will see how it goes.
> On Oct 2, 2012 5:03 PM, "Odhiambo Washington" <odhiambo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> @Muraya,
>>
>> You appear to be distorting facts. I haven't seen any phone with a KeBS
>> certification. I'll check the phone boxes again today.
>>
>> Whenever a phone is upgraded, there is never an interference with the
>> IMEI, as it is stored in the NVRAM (I suppose that's the name) and is
>> never
>> part of the OS partition else those of us who install unofficial ROMs on
>> these phones would have lost their IMEIs ages ago.
>>
>> You sure your phone isn't Smsung? :)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 4:06 PM, S.M. Muraya
>> <murigi.muraya at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> My phone (with a safaricom line) is KeBS certified but has just been
>>> switched off.
>>>
>>> Checking the IMEI it is all 000000000....
>>>
>>> Also just remembered the OS was upgraded by a Samsung certified vendor -
>>> 2 years ago.
>>>
>>> Whatever they did, they probably never restored the IMEI while upgrading
>>> the OS.
>>>
>>> Off to a safaricom shop which will probably refer me to the Samsung
>>> Disti
>>> [?]
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 3:11 PM, John Gitau <jgitau at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  I'm not sure I understand where KEBS failed. Unless the phones being
>>>> switched off were actually certified by KEBS.
>>>>
>>>> What we need is proper consumer advocacy/education. For many many
>>>> things. The consumers should know where to buy proper phones, and maybe
>>>> some entity like cck should take on the task of educating us (which
>>>> they
>>>> do), carriers should ensure the sim is registered and an IMEI registers
>>>> but
>>>> they cant be expected to know which are fake/accurate either. in the
>>>> end
>>>> the consumer will bear the burden, if only to serve as a lesson. Then
>>>> someone at our borders obviously fails us.
>>>>
>>>> jgitau
>>>>
>>>>
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