[kictanet] Who controls the internet?

Sun Nov 4 18:42:32 EAT 2012

Thank you Ali for pushing for a government position on ITRs. When
there is silence it means that
1. The government is playing their position like a secret card that
should not be shown in public.
2. We don't have a position.
3. We don't understand what is being discussed.

Thanks Dr. Ndemo for the hint of a breakfast meeting to clear the air.

Regards

On 04/11/2012, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:
> Ndugu Omo
>
> Thanks for your note. I had actually refrained from posting any comments
> because of the Ghana meeting. In retrospect may be I should have
> irrespective of the Ghana meeting.
>
> I must say that this kind of discourse is definitely helpful and goes a long
> way in calming the waters.
>
> I look forward to the stakeholders meeting in the 13th Nov.
>
> Regards
>
> Ali Hussein
> CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd
> Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd
>
> +254 773/713 601113
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 4, 2012, at 9:06 AM, "Omo, John" <Omo at cck.go.ke> wrote:
>
>> Noted and thanks Nd Ali.
>>
>> We had posted a draft of the African Common Proposals (AfCPs) amending the
>> ITRs. The AfCPs were the culmination of two preparatory meetings by
>> Stakeholders held in Cairo and Durban. Our request was that Kenyan
>> Stakeholders study and forward comments on the same to assist in our
>> preparations for the preparatory meeting held in Ghana and also for a
>> Kenyan Stakeholders meeting before the Dubai meeting. I remember getting
>> indications that you'd study the same and revert with your comments. We
>> are still waiting.
>>
>> The way this works is this: in order to have better use of time at
>> Conferences, stakeholders are encouraged develop proposals common to their
>> regions. Of course Member States, being sovereign, can submit their
>> individual proposals separate from and even in opposition to their Regions
>> (See a number of US proposals or common to both the US and Canada, that
>> are different from those of CITEL to which both countries are a member).
>> But it is better that views that are similar to  a region or
>> inter-region/s are submitted and discussed as common proposals. That
>> hastens consensus building and saves on time at the Conference. We had
>> indicated that our views as a country was pretty much a long the proposed
>> AfCPs to which we have contributed.
>>
>> The official outcome of the Ghana meeting is now out and has some
>> improvements to the Durban draft. We are uploading the same early this
>> week, again with a request to Stakeholders submit substantive comments
>> that would aid in either endorsing/not endorsing the same. The proposals
>> will still be debated strenuously at the Conference which will take
>> decisions largely by way of consensus. Please, please let us study the
>> draft proposals including those from other Regions - that is where the
>> rubber will meet the road in Dubai. Tentatively, we plan to have a local
>> stakeholders meeting on the 13th Nov.
>>
>> With kind rgds.
>> OMO, John
>> Commission Secretary
>> Communications Commission of Kenya
>> P.O. Box 14448 Nairobi 00800
>> Tel: +254 20 4242285/6
>> Cell: +254722523348
>>
>>  "I have decided to stick with love. Hate is too great a burden to bear" -
>> Martin Luther King Jr.
>>
>> From: kictanet on behalf of Ali Hussein
>> Sent: Sat 11/3/2012 09:17
>> To: Omo, John
>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who controls the internet?
>>
>> Chip
>>
>> Thanks for the clarifications and updates.
>>
>> Listers
>>
>> I hate to bring this issue up again but should the utter and complete
>> silence from the CCK on our country position raise red flags?
>>
>> Bwana DG Wangusi with all due respect to your good offices can we have
>> some sort of statement on this issue? I believe it is critically important
>> that we do know and I honestly believe that whatever that position is
>> (whether it emanates from the IGF deliberations or not) it should now be
>> made public. We are less than two months away from WCIT Dubai.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Ali Hussein
>> CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd
>> Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd
>>
>> +254 773/713 601113
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Nov 3, 2012, at 3:07 AM, "Chip Sharp (chsharp)" <chsharp at cisco.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm sorry I'm late to this conversation,  but I wanted to point out a few
>>> things.
>>>
>>>  The only proposals for revision of the ITRs that will be considered at
>>> the WCIT are from Member States or Regional groups (e.g., ATU, CEPT).
>>>
>>> This means there are no ITU proposals to the WCIT.  So where the article
>>> says "ITU proposal" it should say "country or regional proposal".
>>>
>>> It also means there is no ETNO proposal to the WCIT. The text ETNO have
>>> proposed must be submitted by a country or region or it won't be
>>> considered.
>>>
>>> The proposals that have been made public are not officially to be
>>> considered at WCIT.  The countries or regions must submit their proposals
>>> (again) directly to the WCIT.  These country proposals to the WCIT can be
>>> different from what has been made public.  After reviewing the current
>>> submissions to WCIT I can say that some are different from what the same
>>> country or region proposed in the public document.  A few of the
>>> differences are important. So ITU would need to make TD-1 and its
>>> revisions public to keep people informed as to the actual proposals into
>>> WCIT.
>>>
>>> ATU proposals are not yet available on the ITU website.
>>>
>>> Chip
>>> **Disclaimer:  these are my opinions and not those of Cisco or the US
>>> del.***
>>>
>>> On Oct 18, 2012, at 6:49 AM, "George Nyabuga" <george at afrinic.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> An interesting article in The Guardian, quoting, among others, our own
>>>> Alice Munyua. But what the listers make of it?
>>>>
>>>> See article at:
>>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/oct/17/who-rules-internet?CMP=twt_gu
>>>>
>>>> George
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> +230 403 51 00
>>>> Head, Communications and PR, AFRINIC           Fax:  +230 466 67 58
>>>> george at afrinic.net - www.afrinic.net
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