[kictanet] Revisiting Deadly Thika Road

Wed May 16 12:59:45 EAT 2012

Mbuguss,

At the beginning of this discussion we decided to classify the road as part of infrastructure, we are not just heckling this is why design issues are important to all of us, haven't you seen contractors digging up the roads to put fibre ducts this is why we can't assume that this is not part of ICTs, its a pity a member of this list Mr. Oloo Khisa copied our concerns to Kenha for them to keep quiet is plain disrespect for the Citizenry and listers  and I don't apologise for demanding that they address us so please pass the message we don't want PR. I have a right to express myself and ruble rouse when the point is not getting home. As a good citizen I apologise if I offended you, next time just say in advance that you are reporting you mentioned that you had been talking to the good engineer and went further to quote him, hiyo hatutaki government reports to the Citizens however dumb they are, whereas Citizens are accountable to govt.
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-----Original Message-----
From: James Mbugua <jgmbugua at gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 12:31:53 
To: <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
Cc: <kictanet-bounces+otieno.barrack=gmail.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Revisiting Deadly Thika Road

Barrack

Engineer Kidenda as his title suggests is a civil works man. This is a
list called Kenya ICT Action Network - it is not a free-for-all forum
that Kidenda has been invited to and refused to engage.

Secondly, I happen to be a journalist. I interview Kidenda, Kamau of
Roads, Bett etc frequently. It is not that Kenha is engaging through
proxies ( please let us not ascribe intentions to people we have not
even met or spoken to. That is just plain lack of respect and
fallacious).

Lastly, as to designs as Esther pointed out, the financier of this
road, African Development Bank, appointed in addition to the Chinese
companies, an independent consultant to check on the standards).

Perhaps, the man to engage is Makajuma at the infrastructure
department at the AfDB as he is overseeing this process.

Also, perhaps as a point of information, the designing of the
LAMU-Lokichoggio highway (the road component of the LAPSSET project)
is underway and is again funded by AfDB to the tune of US$12million
for the 800-Km road. Perhaps it would be a good time to engage
authorities on designs as Thika Road is way past that stage.

Mbuguss

On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:23 PM,  <otieno.barrack at gmail.com> wrote:
> Mbuguss,
>
> I shall treat that as hearsay, why can't the engineer engage citizens the way Mugo Kibati and others have done on this list is  he busy or is KENHA a private entity  ? Even villagers have rights a village is a reflection of its leadership, let the good engineer know that we are really unhappy he should not engage a stakeholder forum like this through proxies especially when listers have requested to engage him.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Mbugua <jgmbugua at gmail.com>
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> To: <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Revisiting Deadly Thika Road
>
> Listers,
>
> I think it is a bit rich to be complaining about the
> yet-to-be-completed Thika Road yet just the other day people were
> complaining about spending endless hours in traffic where space to
> even overlap was not there.
>
> I speak to Engineer Kidenda so I might as well tell you what he has
> had to say on Thika Road.
>
>
> First of all, barring maybe rain delay, major completion of works is
> supposed to be done by end of June during which signage and painting
> will also have been done.
>
> Quoting Engineer Kidenda, new roads are not supposed to be used until
> they are complete and have been handed over. THat is what happens with
> most roads as drivers are forced to use diversions.
>
> It was impossible for this to be done on Thika Road so construction
> had to be done as the road is being used. END QUOTE.
>
> You have to appreciate the magnitude of that feat before we start
> complaining that the roads have not been painted or signs put up. That
> is the last thing usually done on roads.
>
> In the meantime, there is nothing special about Thika Road compared to
> highways in Johannesburg or London.
>
> What is SPECIAL is road users who have no courtesy and have the
> manners of village louts.
>
> These are the ones to blame not government agencies.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mbuguss
>
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