[kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept

Mon Mar 12 12:21:18 EAT 2012

Is there any ICT org that is active... Or alive

Who rans KIF ?

On 3/12/12, Francis Hook <francis.hook at gmail.com> wrote:
> Instead of saying "KEPSA"  - lets instead use Kenya ICT Federation
> (KIF) which in my understanding is the umbrella body to represent all
> ICT bodies/associations at KEPSA (which itself has other non-ICT
> bodies like KAM, KTA, the flower and horticulture producers (?),
> etcetc).  Some ICT associations are now defunct or obsolete - off the
> top of my head I think they included Tespok, Kenya telecom dealers
> assoc., cyber cafe operators, csk, ITSA (standards), Kenic etc.
>
> I think KIF can be credited with moving a few ICT issues forward
> between 2006 and 2009...
>
> Do we really want to form YET another ICT body with unclear leadership
> structures, funding mechanisms and most of all unclear mandate?
>
> On 12 March 2012 10:23, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Short version:
>>
>> 1) Computer Society of Kenya aka CSK originated as an association of IT
>> Managers and existed as such for many years - it's efforts to transform
>> into
>> a body representing IT businesses have failed...
>>
>> 2) If Mr Yawe has been part of KEPSA for as long as he claims then his
>> deliberate attempts to misinform this forum leave a bad taste...
>>
>> 3) If technology business owners/entrepreneurs feel that they have no
>> representative body and want to form one - thumbs up to them
>>
>> 4) If Government say that as far as they know no there is no entity that
>> they feel represents technology business/entrepreneurs, then people should
>> listen...
>>
>> Have a great week folk!
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Rad! <conradakunga at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> But what does the society do? Does it do any publicity? Engage the
>>> community? Perhaps new leadership and ideas are called for.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 12, 2012, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Can it be renamed ICT Society of Kenya?
>>> >
>>> > If not, should an ICT Society not be formed?
>>> >
>>> > Computer Society sounds do nineties.
>>> >
>>> > Nowadays, most major vendors label themselves as Information Technology
>>> > / Services firms.
>>> >
>>> > On Mar 12, 2012 8:47 AM, "Agosta Liko" <agostal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I think we end up with a very simple task... Join and then strengthen
>>> >> the Computer Society of Kenya and then lobby and organise from there
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks
>>> >>
>>> >> On 3/12/12, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> >> > @ Brian,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Thank you for the support to my post & I also agree with you that we
>>> >> > need an
>>> >> > entity to represent our interests, fortunately such an organisation
>>> >> > exists,
>>> >> > its called The Computer Society of Kenya" for which many of you
>>> >> > have preferred to lambaste and ignore it.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Just a quick clarification Brian, KEPSA allows you to join as an
>>> >> > individual
>>> >> > person or corporate entity if there is no BMO that represents your
>>> >> > interests, your BMO refuses to present your issues or your BMO
>>> >> > refuses to
>>> >> > join KEPSA.  Just for your information, I had the privilege of being
>>> >> > part of
>>> >> > KEPSA's activities for over 3 years as the unofficial alternative to
>>> >> > Evelyn
>>> >> > which gives me a more stable foot to stand on than a google search
>>> >> > result.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > If you have an issue with the current office bearers then use your
>>> >> > democratic right to replace them, if you have issues with the name
>>> >> > then
>>> >> > again practice your constitution right and change it, if you full it
>>> >> > does
>>> >> > not fully represent your interests then define your interests, but
>>> >> > before
>>> >> > you can do any of this things you first must join and pay your
>>> >> > subscriptions
>>> >> > BMO - Business "Membership" Organisation.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I wish we would all concentrate on two issues that kept being
>>> >> > repeated by
>>> >> > the 3 men older than me who where on the panel.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > 1.  Stop asking the government to do for us, it will never happen
>>> >> > (na
>>> >> > omba
>>> >> > serikali)
>>> >> > 2.  Read the new constitution and get up to speed on the new
>>> >> > dispensation
>>> >> > (we need new laws)
>>> >> >
>>> >> > All the issues raised at the session are already addressed in the
>>> >> > constitution which fortunately cannot be posted as a tweet which
>>> >> > means that
>>> >> > you need to down load the entire document, I have it on my Kindle
>>> >> > (had to
>>> >> > mention that), onto those fancy devices we walk around with and read
>>> >> > in its
>>> >> > entirety.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Maybe what we need is a marathon constitution reading forum, after
>>> >> > which I
>>> >> > am sure we shall appreciate the fact that the playing field has
>>> >> > changed and
>>> >> > you and I have had responsibility thrust into our faces.  The
>>> >> > constitution
>>> >> > is already being changed as we write and as we tweet our input if
>>> >> > not
>>> >> > being
>>> >> > recorded.  Dr. Ndemo kept repeating the issue but as usually many of
>>> >> > us
>>> >> > where busy in the cloud.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > For those of you who have an aversion to reading talk to me and I
>>> >> > could get
>>> >> > you the document in audio version.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Regards
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Robert Yawe
>>> >> > KAY System Technologies Ltd
>>> >> > Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>>> >> > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>>> >> > Kenya
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> > From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>
>>> >> > To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
>>> >> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> >> > Sent: Friday, 9 March 2012, 21:44
>>> >> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Hi all
>>> >> >
>>> >> > First of all, let me say that this response is NOT targeted at
>>> >> > Robert
>>> >> > Yawe - though it addresses one of the main issues that he has
>>> >> > raised.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I have said it here before and I will say it once again. Can we
>>> >> > please
>>> >> > do our homework before we post scalding remarks?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Have we so quickly forgotten the genesis of KEPSA? And for those who
>>> >> > were not there when KEPSA was being originated, is it so difficult
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > simply visit their website and read the first paragraph on their
>>> >> > home
>>> >> > page? It simply states:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > "KEPSA is the apex body and single voice of the private sector, with
>>> >> > a
>>> >> > membership that comprises more than 60 Business Membership
>>> >> > Organisations (BMOs) and in excess of 180 corporate organizations –
>>> >> > and is still growing. "
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Essentially - KEPSA's original purpose was to be an umbrella body -
>>> >> > allowing various sectoral and professional "Business Membership
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