[kictanet] Is the UN (Read Governments) the Next Big Threat to Internet Freedom?
Ali Hussein
ali at hussein.me.ke
Tue Jun 5 18:50:00 EAT 2012
Walu
Thank you. That is definitely a nice piece on this issue. I'm still amazed at the loud silence from Government side (despite Daktari's protestations to the contrary). Whatever position it is surely we must know as they are a representative of the people.
All said and done I particularly liked the part where the writer describes the ITU as a paper tiger :)
Ali Hussein
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On Jun 5, 2012, at 6:05 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ali,
>
> Milton Mueller, a Prof at Syracuse Univ in the US keeps tabs on these developments. I dont always agree with him but I found this piece a good intro to the International Politics of the Internet..and a balanced opinion on the recent ITU moves.
>
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/crbvqzh
>
> or
>
> http://www.internetgovernance.org/2012/05/24/threat-analysis-of-tus-wcit-part-1-historical-context/
>
> walu.
> nb: Obviously he applies less fuzzy logic than the PS :-).
>
> --- On Tue, 6/5/12, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:
>
> From: Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Is the UN (Read Governments) the Next Big Threat to Internet Freedom?
> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Date: Tuesday, June 5, 2012, 2:30 PM
>
> Daktari
>
> Well put. I'm sure as we move along that will be clearer...
>
> Thanks
>
> Ali Hussein
>
> +254 773/713 601113
>
> Sent from my iPhone®
>
> On Jun 5, 2012, at 1:58 PM, bitange at jambo.co.ke wrote:
>
> > The World is not black and white only. Having no position is in itself a
> > position.
> >
> > Ndemo.
> >
> >
> >
> >> Walu
> >>
> >> Thank you for putting words in the mouth of Government! :) Now if only
> >> someone in Government can agree/disagree with Walu's thoughts..
> >>
> >> CCK you there?
> >>
> >> Ali Hussein
> >>
> >> +254 773/713 601113
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone®
> >>
> >> On Jun 4, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> @Ali,
> >>>
> >>> am not in government but I can deduce "their" position...Most African
> >>> Government Positions in international ICT matters is as spelled out by
> >>> ITU. It has worked well in some areas - such as enforcing international
> >>> standards in telephony and radio frequencies.
> >>>
> >>> Am not sure the same approach would achieve similar success in matters
> >>> purely Internet. But that does not mean that ITU will or should stop
> >>> trying - particularly because telephony and other traditional
> >>> telco-issues have indeed moved onto the internet platform and we dont
> >>> want the ITU ecosystem stranded in the 20th Century...we got to move
> >>> with them.
> >>>
> >>> So until when we pass the Freedom of Information Bill , we shall
> >>> continue to read the ITU lips/position in order to know what Kenya and
> >>> the other big girls in Africa are thinking. However, Brasil, Rep S.A,
> >>> India and China (BRIC countries ) were honest enough to state this (ITU)
> >>> position loudly enough for everyone to hear during the last IGF meeting
> >>> held in Nairobi 2011...
> >>>
> >>> On another related but domestic issue, our laws expect the National
> >>> Communication Secretariate to be the conveyor of our National Position,
> >>> but in practice (I stand to be corrected) it appears the Regulator
> >>> through ITU gets to have the last say.
> >>>
> >>> walu.
> >>>
> >>> --- On Mon, 6/4/12, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> From: Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
> >>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Is the UN (Read Governments) the Next Big Threat
> >>> to Internet Freedom?
> >>> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> >>> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >>> Date: Monday, June 4, 2012, 7:15 PM
> >>>
> >>> Indeed. I'm abit surprised by the silence from CCK and other
> >>> Governmental Agencies on this issue. Does it mean we as a country do not
> >>> have a position on this?
> >>>
> >>> Ali Hussein
> >>>
> >>> +254 773/713 601113
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone®
> >>>
> >>> On Jun 4, 2012, at 5:04 PM, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> This is not just about ICANN, the ITRs that will are being negotiated
> >>>> in this process cover a whole gamut of Internet related things (such
> >>>> as peering and interconnection), not just names and numbers (a la
> >>>> ICANN).
> >>>>
> >>>> We should have something to say in the formulation of the Kenyan
> >>>> position, certainly.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> McTim
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 12:31 AM, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>> Listers
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Interesting article. A few weeks ago I raised the issue on Internet
> >>> Freedom
> >>>>> and Governance and asked whether our government has a position on
> >>> this?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-06-01/is-the-un-the-next-big-threat-to-internet-freedom
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This article brings to the fore the different voices that are
> >>> advocating for
> >>>>> two key positions:-
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. Should the status quo remain? Where the key player ICANN (the
> >>> Internet
> >>>>> Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers), which is a private,
> >>> U.S.-based
> >>>>> nonprofit organization) exerts control over the fundamental levers
> >>> and gears
> >>>>> that underlie the Internet—including the domain-name system.
> >>> Although ICANN
> >>>>> says it operates on a multistakeholder model that involves such
> >>> groups as
> >>>>> the Internet Engineering Task Force and the World Wide Web
> >>> Consortium, there
> >>>>> has been a lot of criticism of the organization over the years, from
> >>>>> allegations of conflicts of interest to moves such as the recent
> >>> expansion
> >>>>> of the top-level domain system.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2. Should the UN, through the ITU (international Telecommunications
> >>> Union
> >>>>> take over from ICANN? Critics including one of the “fathers of the
> >>>>> Internet,†TCP/IP developer Vinton Cerf say putting control of the
> >>> Net under
> >>>>> the UN body would subject the Internet to the whims of many nations
> >>> whose
> >>>>> commitment to democracy and free speech is questionable at best,
> >>> including
> >>>>> China and Russia. Cerf, who is currently the chief Internet
> >>> evangelist at
> >>>>> Google, said the move would threaten the free and open nature of the
> >>>>> Internet:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As the Internet Community in Kenya do we have a position on this? The
> >>> Kenya
> >>>>> Government? CCK?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
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