[kictanet] CAUTION ON HARDLINE POSITIONS
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We are meeting at 630pm today at Meeting Rm J at the Dubai Convention Centre to discuss this. Please avail yourselves.
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NdaroThank you for the heads up. Your message though coming in the wake of the WCIT tomorrow has just reminded me that we are yet to see what Kenya is taking to the meeting.
Can CCK please share the position? We need to see what is being taken to the negotiating table before we can conclude or even caution on what stand to take.
Kind RegardsGrace
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Dear All,
The WTSA, which sets the work program for the Telecommunication Standardization Sector (ITU-T) ended on 29th November, paving way for the WCIT. The Plenipotentiary Conference 2010 instructed the ITU Secretary General to organize the conference, to capture the tremendous changes and transformation that have taken place in the ICT sector. The last conference was held in Melbourne, Australia, in 1988.
Consequently, the ITU Council set up a working group to spearhead the process. The ITU-T Director has been the one organizing the process since the bulk of the substantive issues of the conference are related to standardization. Certainly, the outcome of the conference will be a product of a negotiated settlement, based on a lot of give and take. The most controversial subjects revolve around the role of governments in the purview of the Internet. Transparency, security,international accounting and settlement, fair compensation, spam, numbering and freedom, among others, are some of the topics that will come under intense global scrutiny in the next two weeks.
One school of thought advocates for the Internet to continue evolving on what is perceived to be an open, multi -stakeholder environment, while the other strongly feels that governments must have a role in the setting of rules governing the management of the resources that facilitate the evolution of the Internet, while allowing commercial entities, the freedom to freely negotiate. Network operators, buoyed by a number of national governments, are pushing for the recognition of not only the role they play in facilitating the delivery of content, but also for "fair" compensation for the use of their infrastructure in order to sustainably continue investing in the requisite facilities on which the net and its related services ride. Subjects such as fraud and internet security, which have become more and more complex will also be haggled upon vigorously. Content developers, advertisers, network operators, civili society, national governments, content sellers, bloggers, etc are pushing positions motivated by diverse persuasions.
At the heart of the various divergent positions being put forward are deep-seated national, regional, and private strategic and economic interests. While some countries are clear on what they want, some may not be fully aware of the long-term consequences of the positions they may wish to take. Intense lobbying, innuendo, back-stabbing, misrepresentation, and pre-negotiations have been going on. Nevertheless, after the intense debates, the final product of WCIT will be a balance between and among the various positions.
The ITU has come under intense pressure over the last few months and has been accused of habouring intentions of venturing into a domain it has no competence in and has been asked to focus on the arena of telecommunications. In its defence, the Union has insisted that, as a Member State based UN agency, it can only pursue an agenda put forward by its stakeholders and that it has no agenda of its own. The jury is still out but the truth will emerge once the veil is removed.
The above notwithstanding, it's extremely important that we come to the conference with more than one strategies with the willingness for give and take, as long as we stay within the reasonable confines of our national interests. Countries are looking at the bigger longer-term picture based on regional and global interests. Countries pushing the freedom card must be aware that while the ethos of freedom are sacrosanct, there is no national edict that commands extra-territorial application and that a reasonable balance will have to be struck between and among many delicate interests. I can bet that even those countries that hold strong divergent positions have been engaging in prior negotiations to facilitate the spirit of consensus and compromise. It is within the foregoing context that we have to view the AfCPs; they constitute a position meant to facilitate positive engagement and compromise, bearing in mind the reality that no single position will, and can dictate the outcomes of the conference. These are negotiations folks, not a war of bravado and brinksmanship; it's not a contest between progress and anarchy. Remember, it has taken twenty four years to agree on a negotiation platform. Certainly, there has been winners and losers over this long period, and hence the need for a conference to streamline the operational and regulatory framework. There might be minimum changes, extensive changes, moderate changes or no change at all, respectively.
We must defend our national position, whatever it might be, with facts, conviction and clarity, while respecting the right of others to hold different positions. The focus, folks, must be the bigger picture, informed by our carefully evaluated interests and the need to build beneficial alliances to the nation state. I repeat, nations have no friends, nations have interests.
Bon voyage to those traveling to Dubai and Best Regards.
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On Dec 1, 2012, at 8:56 AM, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:
McTim
Several stakeholders made submissions to CCK on the AfCPs where we expressed strong reservations to CCKs support of the AfCPs. Our submissions were taken into consideration in the final report on the stakeholders meeting held n the 13th of November.
There will be a briefing on this on the eve of WCIT Dubai so I do hope this will be shared online.
Regards
Ali HusseinCEO | 3mice interactive media LtdPrincipal | Telemedia Africa Ltd
+254 773/713 601113
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On Nov 30, 2012, at 10:42 PM, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
WCIT is just a few days away. Is Kenya still supporting the AfCPs, or
the latest media reports :
http://www.biztechafrica.com/article/kenya-oppose-review-internet-rules/4822/
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Cheers,
McTim
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Wambua, Christopher <Wambua at cck.go.ke> wrote:
Listers,
I am pleased to inform you that we have uploaded the African Common
Proposals (AfCPs) agreed upon in Ghana onto the CCK website. The AfCPs
are available at
http://www.cck.go.ke/links/consultations/current_consultations/African_C
ommon_Proposals_the_ITRs_Rev.pdf
As already communicated by my colleagues, CCK shall host a stakeholders
meeting on 13th November 2012 to share the proposals or Kenya's position
on ITRs and collect comments/input on the same from the industry and
other interested parties.
The venue of the stakeholders meeting shall be communicated in the
course of the week. We look forward to receiving substantive comments
on the ITRs ahead of the stakeholders meeting.
Best regards,
Christopher Wambua
Manager/Communications
Consumer and Public Affairs Division
Communications Commission of Kenya
P.O. Box 14448, NAIROBI 00800
KENYA
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Behalf Of alice at apc.org
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 3:40 PM
To: Wambua, Christopher
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who controls the internet?
Dear all
I agree with Omo. Is it possible to provide/discuss substantive comments
to the current proposals for revisions of ITRs to assist the CCK
finalize
on developing a national position.
However, I can also understand why some stakeholder are not able to
contribute. It would have been good, in retrospect to have organized a
session to dymystify the ITRs and the discuss the merits/demerits of the
current proposals.
Apologies for adding to the noise rather than contributing
substantively.
best
Alice
Thanks Nd Kivuva. Somehow, I didn't receive Nd Ali's response to mine
which you seem to have responded to and for which I thank you.
CCK had posted the AfCPs inviting views in order to prepare for the
Ghana
meeting and also the meeting in Dubai. We indicated that we subscribed
to
the same, having contributed to their development. There was also a
request that we study Proposals from other Regions. Further, there was
a
promise then, and still is, that CCK would convene a meeting of
Stakeholders before the meeting in Dubai. Giving or taking credit for
pushing Government on its views on ITRs is inappropriate when the
initiative was itself from Government/CCK.
To date, much of what I hear is not on substantive input, either on
the
AfCPs or Proposals from other Regions, but clamour for a Stakeholders'
meeting or posting such as "thanks for a promise of a breakfast
meeting"
or 'pushing Gov't on its views'! We are a growing to be a society more
comfortable attending workshops/breakfast meetings rather than the
actual
'on the table work.' Let me reiterate that the rubber will meet the
road,
not in the fact that CCK has organised a Stake holder's workshop, but
in a
delegation that has prepared its docs, read the meeting docs/docs from
other Regions and prepared to present reasoned arguments.
Even as we hail the promise of a breakfast meeting or giving credit
for
pushing Gov't, please let us read the postings and offer substantive
comments. It would help if the local Secretariat can prepare
documentation
for the workshop/breakfast meeting based on views presented apriori.
As
mentioned earlier, the official report of Ghana is out and should be
posted either today or tomorrow.
Kind rgds.
OMO, John,
Commission Secretary,
Communications Commission of Kenya,
P.O. Box 14448 Nairobi 00800.
Tel: +254 20 4242285/6 Cell: +254722523348
"I have decided to stick with love. Hate is too great a burden to
bear" -
Martin Luther King Jr.
________________________________
From: kictanet on behalf of Kivuva
Sent: Sun 11/4/2012 18:42
To: Omo, John
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who controls the internet?
Thank you Ali for pushing for a government position on ITRs. When
there is silence it means that
1. The government is playing their position like a secret card that
should not be shown in public.
2. We don't have a position.
3. We don't understand what is being discussed.
Thanks Dr. Ndemo for the hint of a breakfast meeting to clear the air.
Regards
On 04/11/2012, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Ndugu Omo
Thanks for your note. I had actually refrained from posting any
comments
because of the Ghana meeting. In retrospect may be I should have
irrespective of the Ghana meeting.
I must say that this kind of discourse is definitely helpful and goes
a
long
way in calming the waters.
I look forward to the stakeholders meeting in the 13th Nov.
Regards
Ali Hussein
CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd
Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd
+254 773/713 601113
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On Nov 4, 2012, at 9:06 AM, "Omo, John" <Omo at cck.go.ke> wrote:
Noted and thanks Nd Ali.
We had posted a draft of the African Common Proposals (AfCPs)
amending
the
ITRs. The AfCPs were the culmination of two preparatory meetings by
Stakeholders held in Cairo and Durban. Our request was that Kenyan
Stakeholders study and forward comments on the same to assist in our
preparations for the preparatory meeting held in Ghana and also for
a
Kenyan Stakeholders meeting before the Dubai meeting. I remember
getting
indications that you'd study the same and revert with your comments.
We
are still waiting.
The way this works is this: in order to have better use of time at
Conferences, stakeholders are encouraged develop proposals common to
their
regions. Of course Member States, being sovereign, can submit their
individual proposals separate from and even in opposition to their
Regions
(See a number of US proposals or common to both the US and Canada,
that
are different from those of CITEL to which both countries are a
member).
But it is better that views that are similar to a region or
inter-region/s are submitted and discussed as common proposals. That
hastens consensus building and saves on time at the Conference. We
had
indicated that our views as a country was pretty much a long the
proposed
AfCPs to which we have contributed.
The official outcome of the Ghana meeting is now out and has some
improvements to the Durban draft. We are uploading the same early
this
week, again with a request to Stakeholders submit substantive
comments
that would aid in either endorsing/not endorsing the same. The
proposals
will still be debated strenuously at the Conference which will take
decisions largely by way of consensus. Please, please let us study
the
draft proposals including those from other Regions - that is where
the
rubber will meet the road in Dubai. Tentatively, we plan to have a
local
stakeholders meeting on the 13th Nov.
With kind rgds.
OMO, John
Commission Secretary
Communications Commission of Kenya
P.O. Box 14448 Nairobi 00800
Tel: +254 20 4242285/6
Cell: +254722523348
"I have decided to stick with love. Hate is too great a burden to
bear" -
Martin Luther King Jr.
From: kictanet on behalf of Ali Hussein
Sent: Sat 11/3/2012 09:17
To: Omo, John
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who controls the internet?
Chip
Thanks for the clarifications and updates.
Listers
I hate to bring this issue up again but should the utter and
complete
silence from the CCK on our country position raise red flags?
Bwana DG Wangusi with all due respect to your good offices can we
have
some sort of statement on this issue? I believe it is critically
important
that we do know and I honestly believe that whatever that position
is
(whether it emanates from the IGF deliberations or not) it should
now
be
made public. We are less than two months away from WCIT Dubai.
Regards
Ali Hussein
CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd
Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd
+254 773/713 601113
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On Nov 3, 2012, at 3:07 AM, "Chip Sharp (chsharp)"
<chsharp at cisco.com>
wrote:
I'm sorry I'm late to this conversation, but I wanted to point out
a
few
things.
The only proposals for revision of the ITRs that will be
considered
at
the WCIT are from Member States or Regional groups (e.g., ATU,
CEPT).
This means there are no ITU proposals to the WCIT. So where the
article
says "ITU proposal" it should say "country or regional proposal".
It also means there is no ETNO proposal to the WCIT. The text ETNO
have
proposed must be submitted by a country or region or it won't be
considered.
The proposals that have been made public are not officially to be
considered at WCIT. The countries or regions must submit their
proposals
(again) directly to the WCIT. These country proposals to the WCIT
can
be
different from what has been made public. After reviewing the
current
submissions to WCIT I can say that some are different from what the
same
country or region proposed in the public document. A few of the
differences are important. So ITU would need to make TD-1 and its
revisions public to keep people informed as to the actual proposals
into
WCIT.
ATU proposals are not yet available on the ITU website.
Chip
**Disclaimer: these are my opinions and not those of Cisco or the
US
del.***
On Oct 18, 2012, at 6:49 AM, "George Nyabuga" <george at afrinic.net>
wrote:
An interesting article in The Guardian, quoting, among others, our
own
Alice Munyua. But what the listers make of it?
See article at:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/oct/17/who-rules-internet?CMP=
twt_gu
George
Dr George Nyabuga
Tel:
+230 403 51 00
Head, Communications and PR, AFRINIC Fax: +230 466 67
58
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