[kictanet] Who controls the internet?

Sat Dec 1 07:56:06 EAT 2012

McTim

Several stakeholders made submissions to CCK on the AfCPs where we expressed strong reservations to CCKs support of the AfCPs. Our submissions were taken into consideration in the final report on the stakeholders meeting held n the 13th of November.

There will be a briefing on this on the eve of WCIT Dubai so I do hope this will be shared online.

Regards

Ali Hussein
CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd
Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd

+254 773/713 601113

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 30, 2012, at 10:42 PM, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> WCIT is just a few days away.  Is Kenya still supporting the AfCPs, or
> the latest media reports :
> 
> http://www.biztechafrica.com/article/kenya-oppose-review-internet-rules/4822/
> 
> 
> -- 
> Cheers,
> 
> McTim
> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Wambua, Christopher <Wambua at cck.go.ke> wrote:
>> Listers,
>> 
>> I am pleased to inform you that we have uploaded the African Common
>> Proposals (AfCPs) agreed upon in Ghana onto the CCK website. The AfCPs
>> are available at
>> http://www.cck.go.ke/links/consultations/current_consultations/African_C
>> ommon_Proposals_the_ITRs_Rev.pdf
>> 
>> As already communicated by my colleagues, CCK shall host a stakeholders
>> meeting on 13th November 2012 to share the proposals or Kenya's position
>> on ITRs and collect comments/input on the same from the industry and
>> other interested parties.
>> 
>> The venue of the stakeholders meeting shall be communicated in the
>> course of the week.  We look forward to receiving substantive comments
>> on the ITRs ahead of the stakeholders meeting.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Christopher Wambua
>> Manager/Communications
>> Consumer and Public Affairs Division
>> Communications Commission of Kenya
>> P.O. Box 14448, NAIROBI 00800
>> KENYA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: kictanet
>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+wambua=cck.go.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
>> Behalf Of alice at apc.org
>> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 3:40 PM
>> To: Wambua, Christopher
>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who controls the internet?
>> 
>> Dear all
>> 
>> I agree with Omo. Is it possible to provide/discuss substantive comments
>> to the current proposals for revisions of ITRs to assist the CCK
>> finalize
>> on developing a national position.
>> 
>> However, I can also understand why some stakeholder are not able to
>> contribute. It would have been good, in retrospect to have organized a
>> session to dymystify the ITRs and the discuss the merits/demerits of the
>> current proposals.
>> 
>> Apologies for adding to the noise rather than contributing
>> substantively.
>> 
>> best
>> Alice
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Thanks Nd Kivuva. Somehow, I didn't receive Nd Ali's response to mine
>>> which you seem to have responded to and for which I thank you.
>>> 
>>> CCK had posted the AfCPs inviting views in order to prepare for the
>> Ghana
>>> meeting and also the meeting in Dubai. We indicated that we subscribed
>> to
>>> the same, having contributed to their development. There was also a
>>> request that we study Proposals from other Regions. Further, there was
>> a
>>> promise then, and still is, that CCK would convene a meeting of
>>> Stakeholders before the meeting in Dubai. Giving or taking credit for
>>> pushing Government on its views on ITRs is inappropriate when the
>>> initiative was itself from Government/CCK.
>>> 
>>> To date, much of what I hear is not on substantive input, either on
>> the
>>> AfCPs or Proposals from other Regions, but clamour for a Stakeholders'
>>> meeting or posting such as "thanks for a promise of a breakfast
>> meeting"
>>> or 'pushing Gov't on its views'! We are a growing to be a society more
>>> comfortable attending workshops/breakfast meetings rather than the
>> actual
>>> 'on the table work.'  Let me reiterate that the rubber will meet the
>> road,
>>> not in the fact that CCK has organised a Stake holder's workshop, but
>> in a
>>> delegation that has prepared its docs, read the meeting docs/docs from
>>> other Regions and prepared to present reasoned arguments.
>>> 
>>> Even as we hail the promise of a breakfast meeting or giving credit
>> for
>>> pushing Gov't, please let us read the postings and offer substantive
>>> comments. It would help if the local Secretariat can prepare
>> documentation
>>> for the workshop/breakfast meeting based on views presented apriori.
>> As
>>> mentioned earlier, the official report of Ghana is out and should be
>>> posted either today or tomorrow.
>>> 
>>> Kind rgds.
>>> 
>>> OMO, John,
>>> Commission Secretary,
>>> Communications Commission of Kenya,
>>> P.O. Box 14448 Nairobi 00800.
>>> Tel: +254 20 4242285/6 Cell: +254722523348
>>> "I have decided to stick with love. Hate is too great a burden to
>> bear" -
>>> Martin Luther King Jr.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> 
>>> From: kictanet on behalf of Kivuva
>>> Sent: Sun 11/4/2012 18:42
>>> To: Omo, John
>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who controls the internet?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thank you Ali for pushing for a government position on ITRs. When
>>> there is silence it means that
>>> 1. The government is playing their position like a secret card that
>>> should not be shown in public.
>>> 2. We don't have a position.
>>> 3. We don't understand what is being discussed.
>>> 
>>> Thanks Dr. Ndemo for the hint of a breakfast meeting to clear the air.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> On 04/11/2012, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:
>>>> Ndugu Omo
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for your note. I had actually refrained from posting any
>> comments
>>>> because of the Ghana meeting. In retrospect may be I should have
>>>> irrespective of the Ghana meeting.
>>>> 
>>>> I must say that this kind of discourse is definitely helpful and goes
>> a
>>>> long
>>>> way in calming the waters.
>>>> 
>>>> I look forward to the stakeholders meeting in the 13th Nov.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards
>>>> 
>>>> Ali Hussein
>>>> CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd
>>>> Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd
>>>> 
>>>> +254 773/713 601113
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 4, 2012, at 9:06 AM, "Omo, John" <Omo at cck.go.ke> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Noted and thanks Nd Ali.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We had posted a draft of the African Common Proposals (AfCPs)
>> amending
>>>>> the
>>>>> ITRs. The AfCPs were the culmination of two preparatory meetings by
>>>>> Stakeholders held in Cairo and Durban. Our request was that Kenyan
>>>>> Stakeholders study and forward comments on the same to assist in our
>>>>> preparations for the preparatory meeting held in Ghana and also for
>> a
>>>>> Kenyan Stakeholders meeting before the Dubai meeting. I remember
>>>>> getting
>>>>> indications that you'd study the same and revert with your comments.
>> We
>>>>> are still waiting.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The way this works is this: in order to have better use of time at
>>>>> Conferences, stakeholders are encouraged develop proposals common to
>>>>> their
>>>>> regions. Of course Member States, being sovereign, can submit their
>>>>> individual proposals separate from and even in opposition to their
>>>>> Regions
>>>>> (See a number of US proposals or common to both the US and Canada,
>> that
>>>>> are different from those of CITEL to which both countries are a
>>>>> member).
>>>>> But it is better that views that are similar to  a region or
>>>>> inter-region/s are submitted and discussed as common proposals. That
>>>>> hastens consensus building and saves on time at the Conference. We
>> had
>>>>> indicated that our views as a country was pretty much a long the
>>>>> proposed
>>>>> AfCPs to which we have contributed.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The official outcome of the Ghana meeting is now out and has some
>>>>> improvements to the Durban draft. We are uploading the same early
>> this
>>>>> week, again with a request to Stakeholders submit substantive
>> comments
>>>>> that would aid in either endorsing/not endorsing the same. The
>>>>> proposals
>>>>> will still be debated strenuously at the Conference which will take
>>>>> decisions largely by way of consensus. Please, please let us study
>> the
>>>>> draft proposals including those from other Regions - that is where
>> the
>>>>> rubber will meet the road in Dubai. Tentatively, we plan to have a
>>>>> local
>>>>> stakeholders meeting on the 13th Nov.
>>>>> 
>>>>> With kind rgds.
>>>>> OMO, John
>>>>> Commission Secretary
>>>>> Communications Commission of Kenya
>>>>> P.O. Box 14448 Nairobi 00800
>>>>> Tel: +254 20 4242285/6
>>>>> Cell: +254722523348
>>>>> 
>>>>> "I have decided to stick with love. Hate is too great a burden to
>>>>> bear" -
>>>>> Martin Luther King Jr.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: kictanet on behalf of Ali Hussein
>>>>> Sent: Sat 11/3/2012 09:17
>>>>> To: Omo, John
>>>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who controls the internet?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chip
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for the clarifications and updates.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Listers
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hate to bring this issue up again but should the utter and
>> complete
>>>>> silence from the CCK on our country position raise red flags?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bwana DG Wangusi with all due respect to your good offices can we
>> have
>>>>> some sort of statement on this issue? I believe it is critically
>>>>> important
>>>>> that we do know and I honestly believe that whatever that position
>> is
>>>>> (whether it emanates from the IGF deliberations or not) it should
>> now
>>>>> be
>>>>> made public. We are less than two months away from WCIT Dubai.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ali Hussein
>>>>> CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd
>>>>> Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd
>>>>> 
>>>>> +254 773/713 601113
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 3, 2012, at 3:07 AM, "Chip Sharp (chsharp)"
>> <chsharp at cisco.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm sorry I'm late to this conversation,  but I wanted to point out
>> a
>>>>>> few
>>>>>> things.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The only proposals for revision of the ITRs that will be
>> considered
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> the WCIT are from Member States or Regional groups (e.g., ATU,
>> CEPT).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This means there are no ITU proposals to the WCIT.  So where the
>>>>>> article
>>>>>> says "ITU proposal" it should say "country or regional proposal".
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It also means there is no ETNO proposal to the WCIT. The text ETNO
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> proposed must be submitted by a country or region or it won't be
>>>>>> considered.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The proposals that have been made public are not officially to be
>>>>>> considered at WCIT.  The countries or regions must submit their
>>>>>> proposals
>>>>>> (again) directly to the WCIT.  These country proposals to the WCIT
>> can
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> different from what has been made public.  After reviewing the
>> current
>>>>>> submissions to WCIT I can say that some are different from what the
>>>>>> same
>>>>>> country or region proposed in the public document.  A few of the
>>>>>> differences are important. So ITU would need to make TD-1 and its
>>>>>> revisions public to keep people informed as to the actual proposals
>>>>>> into
>>>>>> WCIT.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ATU proposals are not yet available on the ITU website.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chip
>>>>>> **Disclaimer:  these are my opinions and not those of Cisco or the
>> US
>>>>>> del.***
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 18, 2012, at 6:49 AM, "George Nyabuga" <george at afrinic.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> An interesting article in The Guardian, quoting, among others, our
>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>> Alice Munyua. But what the listers make of it?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> See article at:
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/oct/17/who-rules-internet?CMP=
>> twt_gu
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> George
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dr George Nyabuga
>>>>>>> Tel:
>>>>>>> +230 403 51 00
>>>>>>> Head, Communications and PR, AFRINIC           Fax:  +230 466 67
>> 58
>>>>>>> george at afrinic.net - www.afrinic.net
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>> ----------------------------
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>>>>>>> Sudan,
>>>>>>> on 24 - 29 November 2012
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