[kictanet] kictanet Digest, Vol 62, Issue 137
Gideon
gideonrop at gmail.com
Wed Aug 1 14:00:06 EAT 2012
BTW, your named is misspelled in yoour application:
Mr. Gedion Rop Project Support Engineer (DCA)
and I see that you are applying for .africa as a 'Standard" gTLD
according to the public parts of your application.
Hi McTim,
"Because UniForum was apparently selected by the African Union Commission
to apply on behalf of the African Community, so we believe that they should
apply for a Community TLD in order for their supposed letter of appointment
to be valid. If on the other hand, they failed to submit a community TLD
application for .AFRICA, then it simply means that they have not lived up
to the specious community support that they have received." In a nutshell,
they did not receive support to apply for an African-community owned TLD,
to end up applying for a standard gTLD. It is fraudulent in our estimation.
BTW, McTim you have misspelled 'yoour' in your posting below ;)
Gideon Rop,
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> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:15:41 -0400
> From: McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>
> To: Gideon <gideonrop at gmail.com>
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Official response to the "facts" circulated by
> Alice on behalf of DotConnectAfrica
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> Hi,
>
> BTW, your named is misspelled in yoour application:
>
> Mr. Gedion Rop Project Support Engineer (DCA)
>
> and I see that you are applying for .africa as a 'Standard" gTLD
> according to the public parts of your application.
>
>
> -----------quote------------------
>
> 18(a). Describe the mission/purpose of your proposed gTLD.
>
> DotAfrica is a ?Standard? gTLD:
>
> DotAfrica gTLD will be a standard, open, generic Top-Level Domain
> (gTLD) that serves the diverse needs and purposes of the global
> Internet community, but with special focus on promoting Internet use
> in Africa. It will have no community restrictions in its registration
> policies.
>
> DCA believes that DotAfrica does not qualify as a community-based
> application for two main reasons:
>
> a) There is no clearly delineated, organized and pre-existing
> community that is targeted by the DotAfrica gTLD.
> b) It is difficult to clearly identify who are the ?members? of the
> community, since a ?community-definition? of DotAfrica will restrict
> its use and functionality. Since ?DotAfrica? does not necessarily
> mean a TLD for ?Africans?, it is difficult to determine the persons or
> entities that are considered to form the community, and the number of
> people or entities that make up the community.
>
> It is for these reasons that we think that any community-based
> application submitted for DotAfrica is merely to get a very important
> generic word ? that refers to a geographic name ? as a gTLD string for
> the ?purposes? of a community that is very difficult to define and
> construct.
>
> ----end quote ------------------
>
>
> so why are you trying to assert that the uniforum application should
> be a "community" application?
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> McTim
> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:13:50 +0300
> From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>
> To: McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>, KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Official response to the "facts" circulated by
> Alice on behalf of DotConnectAfrica
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> I'm beginning to experience e-fatigue with the seemingly constant
> misdirection that is coming from DCA regarding their (seemingly flawed)
> string application and misleading references to the AUC/Uniforum string
> application...
>
> *Shaking my head and sighing deeply*
>
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> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 5:15 PM, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > BTW, your named is misspelled in yoour application:
> >
> > Mr. Gedion Rop Project Support Engineer (DCA)
> >
> > and I see that you are applying for .africa as a 'Standard" gTLD
> > according to the public parts of your application.
> >
> >
> > -----------quote------------------
> >
> > 18(a). Describe the mission/purpose of your proposed gTLD.
> >
> > DotAfrica is a ?Standard? gTLD:
> >
> > DotAfrica gTLD will be a standard, open, generic Top-Level Domain
> > (gTLD) that serves the diverse needs and purposes of the global
> > Internet community, but with special focus on promoting Internet use
> > in Africa. It will have no community restrictions in its registration
> > policies.
> >
> > DCA believes that DotAfrica does not qualify as a community-based
> > application for two main reasons:
> >
> > a) There is no clearly delineated, organized and pre-existing
> > community that is targeted by the DotAfrica gTLD.
> > b) It is difficult to clearly identify who are the ?members? of the
> > community, since a ?community-definition? of DotAfrica will restrict
> > its use and functionality. Since ?DotAfrica? does not necessarily
> > mean a TLD for ?Africans?, it is difficult to determine the persons or
> > entities that are considered to form the community, and the number of
> > people or entities that make up the community.
> >
> > It is for these reasons that we think that any community-based
> > application submitted for DotAfrica is merely to get a very important
> > generic word ? that refers to a geographic name ? as a gTLD string for
> > the ?purposes? of a community that is very difficult to define and
> > construct.
> >
> > ----end quote ------------------
> >
> >
> > so why are you trying to assert that the uniforum application should
> > be a "community" application?
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> >
> > McTim
> > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> > route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
> >
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> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:18:12 +0200
> From: Vika Mpisane <vika at zadna.org.za>
> To: McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Official response to the "facts" circulated by
> Alice on behalf of DotConnectAfrica
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> In essence, McTim, the answer for everyone interested in new gTLDs is
> simple: read & understand the Applicant Guidebook. It really does have all
> the answers. In particular, it defines quite well how a community gTLD
> differs from a geo gTLD. When you read it, then you understand why the
> only .africa application (the one by UniForum SA backed by the AUC) -
> based on ICANN new gTLD application -list is a geo gTLD & not a community
> gTLD.
>
> Another good source for answers is the ICANN new gTLD website where it
> lists all the current 1930 new gTLD applications. It really does say there
> is only one .africa application, and that's the one from UniForum SA
> (backed & endorsed by the AUC). That site also shows there are 2 other
> applications with the name "africa": .africamagic & .dotafrica.
>
> Whether or not .dotafrica (applied for by DCA) is confusingly similar to
> .africa (by UniForum SA backed & endorsed by the AUC) is a matter that the
> ICANN new gTLD Applicant Guidebook also answers quite well. Effectively,
> the Applicant Guidebook is like a bible of some sort for everything new
> gTLD: it's got all the answers (save, of course, a possibility of
> correcting mistaken gTLD applications).
>
> Assuming then the new gTLD "bible" is correct, the question is: did DCA
> make a mistake when they applied for .dotafrica? Judging by some press
> releases from DCA, it seems this is the case, but I'm open to correction.
> If it's the case, then the question I have is: why then ICANN continues to
> list the UniForum's application as the only .africa application on file?
>
> I guess then unless we see ICANN listing DCA's application as another
> .africa application in addition to UniForum's, DCA & UniForum have applied
> for 2 different strings. If ICANN were to change & list DCA as having
> applied for .africa (and not .dotafrica), then we would then have an open
> competition between DCA's application & UniForum's application, which, in
> fact, we should welcome because competition in business is good.
>
> And so that it's clear, I'm involved in the UniForum's .africa geo gTLD
> application. So i'm not pretending to be neutral at all here. I just don't
> think it's helpful at all to bash other people because they are
> competition to UniForum's bid.
>
> Regards,
>
> Vika Mpisane
> ZADNA
>
>
> On 2012/07/30 4:07 PM, "McTim" <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 1:52 AM, Gideon <gideonrop at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Dear Ms.Alice Munyua,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I am asked by our organization to post this clarification below to the
> >> statements you posted last week Re:Facts Regarding the African Union
> >> Commission (.Africa) application in the interest of the public.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> That you ahead for your cooperation.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> First, the deliberate distortion
> >
> >That's a bit strong. how do you know it was deliberate?
> >
> >If you want to talk about facts, use the link that Neil provided,
> >click on download the "public portion of the application", and see how
> >many times the AU and AUC are referenced. It is clear to me that the
> >AU and UniForum are partnering in this application.
> >
> >
> > that AUC/UniForum has submitted an
> >> application for .AFRICA is unwarranted and quite misleading, and this
> >>should
> >> not be treated as 'fact'. The true fact is that the AUC is not an
> >>applicant.
> >
> >While they may not be an applicant, they are certainly working 'in
> >cooperation with" or "in partnership with".
> >
> >
> >> Only UniForum is the applicant acknowledged by ICANN. Therefore, it is
> >> untruthful and rather disingenuous on your part to present the AUC as an
> >> applicant - either as a co- or joint applicant to UniForum. Everyone
> >>should
> >> know that the AU has not applied to ICANN for anything, so there is no
> >>AUC
> >> application the way that you have been distorting 'facts' to suit your
> >> purpose.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Second, though you have listed many things, the most important thing
> >>that
> >> you have left out is that the UniForum application was not submitted on
> >> behalf of either the African Union Commission, African governments, the
> >> African Community or African Internet Community. You should have listed
> >> this as 'fact', but you have not.
> >
> >
> >If it were listed as "fact" you surely would have complained about that!
> >
> >The "fact" is that it is a geographic TLD and NOT a community based TLD.
> >
> >Are you suggesting that your application for .DotAfrica (or .Africa if
> >that is what you have applied for) is a community based application
> >and NOT a geo-TLD?
> >
> >
> >
> >Therefore, there is actually no community
> >> ownership of the Applied-for string so your use of the term 'official
> >>AUC
> >> endorsed application for the dotAfrica (.Africa) Top Level Domain' is
> >>rather
> >> specious and a misnomer.
> >
> >It is neither specious nor a misnomer. They do have an official
> >endorsement and they have a large community of support behind them.
> >
> >
> >
> > Against this background, how is the UniForum
> >> application, in your estimation, "a collaborative African initiative"?
> >>One
> >> would expect at least that if it is a collaborative African initiative,
> >>then
> >> the ownership of the TLD by the community should have been properly
> >> demonstrated by a community application conveyed as an application on
> >>behalf
> >> of the African Community for a .AFRICA Community TLD.
> >
> >It only stands to reason that a geo-TLD (a continental wide one at that)
> >have a
> >collaborative community behind it.
> >
> >Are you applying for a Community-based string?
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In the absence of this, we still see the UniForum application as a
> >>deceptive
> >> ploy that used the purported support of the AU Commission to garner
> >>support
> >> from African governments to enable them provide support for an
> >>application
> >> that will benefit a special interest group. The way we see it is quite
> >> simple: DCA Trust will continue to expose this fraud for what it truly
> >>is.
> >> If the AUC provided support to UniForum to apply on behalf of the
> >>African
> >> Community, then we believe that ?a Community TLD application ?for
> >>.AFRICA
> >> should have been submitted by UniForum to ICANN.
> >
> >Again, would this same reasoning have applied to you? If not, why not?
> >
> >Is .DotAfrica a community or geo-TLD?
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Third, you seem to make much of a process that was "mandated by African
> >> Heads of State (OR Tambo Declaration) and African Minister?s in charge
> >>of
> >> ICT (Abuja Declaration)" to justify your 'facts'. Would these African
> >>Heads
> >> of States and Ministers not demand some form of accountability
> >>regarding why
> >> a community TLD application for .Africa was not submitted by Uniforum?
> >
> >
> >again with the red-herrings! This is a geo-TLD, NOT a "Community-TLD".
> >
> >
> >> Since you seem to know many facts regarding the so-called 'African Union
> >> Commission (.Africa) application, perhaps you should help clarify for
> >> everyone's benefit why a Community TLD application for .Africa was not
> >> submitted by Uniforum.
> >>
> >
> >This is a geo-TLD, NOT a "Community-TLD".
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Fourth, you have tried to make much over the fact that the UniForum
> >> application is AU-supported, and that the "application meets and
> >>exceeds,
> >> the minimum evaluation criteria set by ICANN for application of
> >>Geographic
> >> strings." Alas, the evaluation is not only on the basis of the
> >>evaluation
> >> criteria for 'geographic strings'. The evaluation criteria is actually
> >>more
> >> comprehensive, and covers a wide range of issues such as technical,
> >> operational, financial criteria; coupled with terms & conditions, legal
> >> issues, etc. We remain confident that the Uniforum application will
> >>fail
> >> based on the scope of its separate agreement with the African Union
> >> Commission. We prefer to leave such issues to the Evaluation and the
> >> outcome of any Dispute Resolution.
> >
> >
> >but if you had gotten the endorsement of the AU, you wouldn't be
> >claiming the same thing, would you??!
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Fifth, the application submitted by DCA Trust is for the geographic name
> >> 'AFRICA', pronounced as 'DotAfrica'. This is for a 6-character ASCII
> >>string.
> >> The application submitted by DCA Trust was correctly designated by
> >>ICANN as
> >> referring to a geographic name. Your understanding that it is for
> >> 'dotdotAfrica' is incorrect. Our published part of application is
> >>posted
> >> and available here???????
> >
> >
> http://gtldresult.icann.org/application-result/applicationstatus/applicati
> >ondetails/1276
> >
> >or
> >
> >
> http://gtldresult.icann.org/application-result/applicationstatus/applicati
> >ondetails:downloadapplication/1276?t:ac=1276
> >
> >to dload public parts of application.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Finally, it is important for us to note that you have become openly
> >> supportive of the UniForum application, and we therefore hope that you
> >>will
> >> not use any of your official affiliations either within the Kenyan
> >> government or the ICANN GAC to influence things in their favour.
> >
> >Why not? if the AUC has endorsed UniForum as their partner in
> >bidding, should not all AU governments act accordingly?
> >
> >
> > We caution
> >> you not to be official or unofficial spokesperson of UniForum, and
> >>allow the
> >> applications that have been submitted to ICANN to be evaluated fairly
> >> without any undue interference on your part or on the part of the group
> >>that
> >> you now seem to represent in the most unabashed manner .
> >
> >
> >how is statement of facts "interference"?
> >
> >
> >--
> >Cheers,
> >
> >McTim
> >"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> >route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
> >
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> >
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> >online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and
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> >privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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