[kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into "KICTAnet 2.0"

Thu Apr 12 21:39:20 EAT 2012

I suppose there now goes a real befitting title, Walu. Especially now with all the positive feedback coming in … 

I believe Barack, this would be good enough..?

So as suggested let’s keep at it till we get the right mix to drive us forward..

Our dear sisters, you also invited to contribute..

Harry

From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Walubengo J
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 8:19 PM
To: harry at comtelsys.co.ke
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into "KICTAnet 2.0"

folks,

I like the discussion.  I think as Mark said, history has been on this list and we are perhaps  writing the history for KICTAnet 2.0.  Keep the ideas flowing.

walu.
nb: @ Yawe: Membership pegged on at least one contribution per year ;-) Interesting.  Even if you are a "read-only" member, you may need to maintain your subscription by way of contribution...

--- On Thu, 4/12/12, Muchiri Nyaggah <muchiri at semacraft.com> wrote:

From: Muchiri Nyaggah <muchiri at semacraft.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!
To: jwalu at yahoo.com
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 6:52 PM

There's great benefit in both faceless interactions and face-to-face ones, the latter being important in building a sense of community and the former important in creating a safe environment for people to speak their minds. 

KICTANET activities must have played a big role in creating a sense of community back in the day, surely there's enough resource on this list to make the space available should a meet-up be desired. 140friday only took a few hours to conceptualize and schedule and many from this list were present. Adding offline participation to the mix could improve online participation. However, like Joe said, there needs to be a point behind an offline meet-up. Without reason, people won't attend offline meet-ups or participate in online ones. I agree with Harry, the policy document being worked on at 140friday is a good reason to start with. Let's get it on the list, debate it and provide our input into the process. I'm sure there are more 'reasons' we can work with.

Twende kazi.

Kind regards,

Muchiri Nyaggah

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru at google.com> wrote:

Hi Brian,

At the risk of starting another debate, the funding you refer to also came from local players such as TESPOK and was primarily focused on a key objective. At the time it was policy development engaging the various networks to ensure we got on the right path.

So we need to ask, what do we need funding for right now? If you this was clear am sure many on the list would contribute. If its only to have a face to face a doubt its that interesting.

My point still remains, on this list sharing real views and debating them influences policy decisions at the highest levels and we should not change that.

I can sponsor a face to face if people will be willing to listen to discussions on digital advertising. That however would not be a KICTANET related activity but Google marketing. I would also shape the agenda and lose our neutrality. This is the danger of accepting money :-)

On Apr 12, 2012 1:58 PM, "Brian Munyao Longwe" <blongwe at gmail.com> wrote:

If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in KICTAnet "activities".

My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from @Harry.

I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed a particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor to cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads me to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. Especially as the melting pot for policy debate.

Best regards,

Brian

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:

Joe,

Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of Media, Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless).  But as you noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode.  That is one reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches...

walu. 

--- On Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru at google.com> wrote:

From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru at google.com>

Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!
To: jwalu at yahoo.com
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>

Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM

I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest collaboration technologies "Google Hangouts <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw> " I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to have a representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know many participant on this list are in read only mode.

@Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will be a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.

Thanks

Joe

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu at gmail.com <http://mc/[email protected]> > wrote:

On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/[email protected]> > wrote:

Harry,

We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.

The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd.

uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C

I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and twitter

Regards 

Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya

Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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From: Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/[email protected]> >
To: robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/[email protected]>  

Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/[email protected]> > 

Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55

Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!

Ara..!

Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?

Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-

·         “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” 

·         “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being….

·         “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..

·         And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”!

Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!

Harry

From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/[email protected]>  [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry> =comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/[email protected]> ] On Behalf Of Brian Munyao Longwe
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM
To: harry at comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/[email protected]> 
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!

I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows.

Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?

As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.

My 2 shillings,

Brian

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com <http://mc/[email protected]> > wrote:

@Wash,

Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate
and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?

Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com>  may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...

just my 2pings.

walu.

--- On Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo at gmail.com <http://mc/[email protected]> > wrote:

From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo at gmail.com <http://mc/[email protected]> >
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!
To: jwalu at yahoo.com <http://mc/[email protected]> 
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://mc/[email protected]> >
Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/[email protected]> > wrote:

I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!

You mean the post-Easter stupor, or??

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