[kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!

Thu Apr 12 18:52:49 EAT 2012

There's great benefit in both faceless interactions and face-to-face ones,
the latter being important in building a sense of community and the former
important in creating a safe environment for people to speak their minds.

KICTANET activities must have played a big role in creating a sense of
community back in the day, surely there's enough resource on this list to
make the space available should a meet-up be desired. 140friday only took a
few hours to conceptualize and schedule and many from this list were
present. Adding offline participation to the mix could improve online
participation. However, like Joe said, there needs to be a point behind an
offline meet-up. Without reason, people won't attend offline meet-ups or
participate in online ones. I agree with Harry, the policy document being
worked on at 140friday is a good reason to start with. Let's get it on the
list, debate it and provide our input into the process. I'm sure there are
more 'reasons' we can work with.

Twende kazi.

Kind regards,

Muchiri Nyaggah

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru at google.com> wrote:

> Hi Brian,
>
> At the risk of starting another debate, the funding you refer to also came
> from local players such as TESPOK and was primarily focused on a key
> objective. At the time it was policy development engaging the various
> networks to ensure we got on the right path.
>
> So we need to ask, what do we need funding for right now? If you this was
> clear am sure many on the list would contribute. If its only to have a face
> to face a doubt its that interesting.
>
> My point still remains, on this list sharing real views and debating them
> influences policy decisions at the highest levels and we should not change
> that.
>
> I can sponsor a face to face if people will be willing to listen to
> discussions on digital advertising. That however would not be a KICTANET
> related activity but Google marketing. I would also shape the agenda and
> lose our neutrality. This is the danger of accepting money :-)
> On Apr 12, 2012 1:58 PM, "Brian Munyao Longwe" <blongwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network
>> known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing
>> list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in
>> KICTAnet "activities".
>>
>> My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the
>> feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from @Harry.
>>
>> I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed
>> a particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for
>> participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the
>> "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor to
>> cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads me
>> to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As
>> they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while
>> ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. Especially
>> as the melting pot for policy debate.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Joe,
>>>
>>> Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of
>>> Media, Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless).  But as
>>> you noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode.  That is
>>> one reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches...
>>>
>>> walu.
>>>
>>> --- On *Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru at google.com>* wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru at google.com>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the
>>> dustbin...!
>>> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>>> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest
>>> collaboration technologies "Google Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>"
>>> I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to have a
>>> representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know
>>> many participant on this list are in read only mode.
>>>
>>> @Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people
>>> actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will be
>>> a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <
>>> solo.mburu at gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Harry,
>>>
>>> We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate
>>> records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.
>>>
>>> The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over
>>> 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd.
>>>
>>> uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and
>>> twitter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Robert Yawe
>>> KAY System Technologies Ltd
>>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>>> Kenya
>>>
>>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>>>   ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>
>>> >
>>> *To:* robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
>>> *Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
>>>
>>>  *Sent:* Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the
>>> dustbin...!
>>>
>>> Ara..!
>>>
>>> Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per
>>> Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?
>>>
>>> Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some
>>> thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-
>>> ·         “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave
>>> it for the dead”
>>> ·         “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT
>>> forums in Kenya, the major one being….
>>> ·         “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic
>>> leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..
>>> ·         And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes
>>> listed above, time for a RESET..”!
>>>
>>> Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study.
>>> Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!
>>>
>>> Harry
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>[mailto:
>>> kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>=
>>> comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>]
>>> *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM
>>> *To:* harry at comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>
>>> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the
>>> dustbin...!
>>>
>>> I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or
>>> not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and
>>> thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows.
>>>
>>> Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?
>>>
>>> As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.
>>>
>>> My 2 shillings,
>>>
>>> Brian
>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>> @Wash,
>>>
>>> Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to
>>> re-juvinate
>>> and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from
>>> KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures,
>>> operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
>>>
>>> Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been
>>> the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job
>>> and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could
>>> have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may
>>> just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
>>>
>>> just my 2pings.
>>>
>>> walu.
>>>
>>> --- On *Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo at gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com>
>>> >* wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo at gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com>
>>> >
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the
>>> dustbin...!
>>> To: jwalu at yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>
>>> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> >
>>> Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>>
>>> wrote:
>>> I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we
>>> might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!
>>>
>>>
>>> You mean the post-Easter stupor, or??
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
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>> cell:  +254715964281
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>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
>>
>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth,
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